WEBVTT 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:02.359 good evening counselors and members of 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:04.719 the public council is conducting this 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:07.400 ordinary meeting in person and via video 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.119 conferencing as well as live streaming 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:12.240 we are using both a conferencing tool 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:14.560 and live streaming software so please 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:16.480 bear in mind sorry please bear with 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:18.800 us should we encounter any technical 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:20.719 difficulties counselors during the 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:21.920 course of this meeting it would be 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:23.920 appreciated if you could please ensure 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:26.039 that you remain seated so you are 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:27.640 visible in the middle of the screen and 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:29.480 that you raise your hands to move and 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:32.200 second items and indicate if you wish to 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.320 speak and also to vote please councilors 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:36.840 please give your attention to councelor 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:38.359 Peter McLean who will lead us in the 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.640 prayer and acknowledgement of 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.679 country thank you Madame 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.960 Mayor Almighty God bless all who are 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:49.640 engaged in the work of local government 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:52.799 make us of one heart and one mind in thy 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:55.280 service and in the true welfare of the 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.159 people in which we serve we ask this 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:01.920 through Christ Our Lord Amen 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:03.960 I'd like to recognize the traditional 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.159 owners of the lands in which we meet 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:09.760 tonight and the beautiful lands of 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.680 Camden Council these lands are often 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:14.519 recognized as the meeting place of the 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:18.000 mountains the river and the plains and I 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:22.599 want to recognize the Dharawa Dharug and 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.040 Gundungurra people who are the traditional 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:26.400 custodians of these lands in which we 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:28.079 meet and recognize their Elders past 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.680 present and emerging thank you councelor 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:33.640 McLean webcasting of Council meetings in 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:35.359 accordance with Camden council's code of 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:37.280 meeting practice and as permitted under 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:39.040 the Local Government Act of 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:41.760 1993 this meeting is being live streamed 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:43.719 and recorded by Council staff for minute 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.560 taking and webcasting purposes the 00:01:46.640 --> 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00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:57.400 councelor 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.400 Ferreri thank you Madame Mayor I 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:02.479 wish to declare a pecuniary interest in 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.039 regards to item one the council 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:08.000 submission on amended St site State 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:09.759 significant development application 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.479 rather proposed Minarah college at 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.800 268 278 Catherine Fields Road Catherine 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:19.280 Fields as I have a relative of mine that 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:22.560 lives in close proximity to the site 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.400 such as I will vacate the chamber and 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:27.840 not take part in discussion and voting 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.520 on this matter 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:32.159 thank you counselor are there any other 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.120 Declarations of Interest this 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:37.560 evening no with that I'll ask that 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.759 the Declarations be moved and seconded 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:41.319 to move councelor Campbell second to 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:44.000 councelor McLean are there any speakers 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:45.759 for or against with that I put the 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:47.719 recommendation forward all those in 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.759 favor unanimous thank 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.680 you on to public addresses the public 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:55.400 address session in a council meeting 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.199 provides an opportunity for people to 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.039 speak publicly on any items on Council 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.280 business paper the public address 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.000 session will be conducted in accordance 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.319 with the public address guidelines where 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.199 a member of the public raises a question 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.280 during a public address session a 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:11.759 response will be provided where 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.039 counselors or staff have the necessary 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.879 information at hand if not a reply will 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.600 be provided at a later time there is a 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.040 limit of one question per speaker per 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.959 meeting all speakers are limited to 4 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.480 minutes with a one minute warning given 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:29.759 to speakers prior to the 4 minute time 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.519 period elapsing the commencement and 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:34.759 conclusion of time shall be advised by 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:35.879 myself the 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.000 chairperson it should be noted that 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:39.920 speakers at Council meetings do not 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.040 enjoy any protection from parliamentary 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.600 privilege therefore they 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:46.480 are subject to the risk of defamation 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.680 action if they make comments about 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:50.920 individuals in the event that a speaker 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:52.600 makes potentially offensive or 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.199 defamatory remarks about any person the 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:57.000 chairperson will ask them to refrain 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.720 from such comments the chairperson has 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:01.519 the discretion to withdraw the privilege 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:03.920 to speak where a speaker continues to 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.079 make inappropriate or offensive comments 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.439 about another person or make a point of 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:10.639 order ruling if a speaker breaches 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.480 the guidelines only the audio recording 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.079 of a public addressed speakers will be 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.000 heard on council's webcast visual images 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:20.199 of the speaker will not be captured as a 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:22.879 part of the webcast councilors tonight 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:26.600 we have two public address speakers 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:31.279 we'll begin by asking Miss Amanda 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.040 Aksisa I hope I got that right to the 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.240 microphone she'll be speaking for item 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.120 one Council submission for amended State 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:40.560 State significant development 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.800 application proposed Minarah college at 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.000 268 to 278 Catherine Fields Road 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.160 Catherine field councilor Ferrari if 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:51.959 you'd like to leave the 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.120 chamber Miss Aksisa are your time will 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.079 begin when you hit the mic button but 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:04.959 we'll just wait for the counselor to to 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.160 leave 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.600 first when you're 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.959 ready good evening first I would like to 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.319 thank all counselors and staff members 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:20.199 for staking taking the time to listen to 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.319 Leo and I with our concerns regarding 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.839 Minarah College we represent the members 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:26.399 of the Catherine field and surrounding 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:28.079 Community who have expressed their 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:29.800 concerns regarding this amend 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.160 development application we have spent a 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:33.920 lot of time reviewing the docents and 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:35.879 our concerns over the limitations of the 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.639 site have not changed we are pleased 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:39.839 that Council has listened to our 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:41.079 concerns and are supporting the 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:43.040 community to oppose this 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:44.920 application I'm sure many of the 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.920 councilors have received calls and 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:48.680 emails from the residents expressing 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:50.639 their thoughts and unease of this 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:52.839 development proposal for this we thank 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.360 you for listening and 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:56.360 responding allow me to tell you a little 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:58.439 bit about the applicants they can be 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:00.839 known as Green Valley Islamic College 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.000 who also trade using the title Minarah 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.600 College there is also associations with 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:07.160 the Muslim League of New South Wales who 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.680 are the current owners of 268 and 278 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.480 Catherine Field Road two of these names 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:13.959 are listed on the Australian Charities 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.319 and not for-profits commission website 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.240 the acnc shows that in 2023 green 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.000 Valley's limit College reported 89% of 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.120 Revenue came from government 67% of this 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.560 Revenue was spent on employee expenses 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.279 maybe one of these businesses have 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:33.319 appeared in court transcripts and media 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:34.920 reports in relation to how their 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.800 businesses are run in the past moving on 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.160 to the 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.120 application the reduction in student 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:42.879 nbers is not reflected in the scale 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.680 and density of the development The 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:46.879 amenal Proposal shows only a net 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.800 deduction of 1363 square meters of gross 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:52.480 floor area from the original proposal it 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:54.279 is inconceivable that the development 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.040 would still need the floor space or 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.560 capacity within the school despite a net 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:02.319 reduction of 6 students and 39 teachers 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:03.800 further information is required to 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:05.079 ensure the school is not simply 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:06.560 retaining a large portion of the 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.160 existing built form to Simply modify the 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:10.839 application at a later stage under 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:15.759 Section 4.55 1A or 4552 modification 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.199 which cannot be assessed by the 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:18.839 independent Planning 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:20.920 Commission we believe that there may be 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.000 a chance that Camden Council may end up 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:24.879 in the land and environment Court in a 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:26.839 similar situation between kemell toown 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.399 Council in their fight against al phasal 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:31.720 College in MTO in 2022 and their 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:33.799 application to increase the student 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.000 population the court transcripts show 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:37.960 that Al phasal College was disobeying 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:39.960 consent of the student capacity even 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:41.519 before the application to increase 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:43.759 student nbers was submitted I am 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.440 certain that the community would prefer 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:47.080 their land rate payments to be put to 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:48.799 better use than fighting a costly case 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:50.000 in 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.519 court The Proposal does not fit with the 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.840 zoning the site is not suited for a 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:56.799 development of this size Catherine 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.960 Fields has not been identified as being 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:00.559 a prior prity within the Southwest 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:02.840 growth area until the point of time that 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.399 this occurs no significant development 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:08.279 should occur the reports refer to the 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:10.519 application using a term education 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:12.879 establish sorry educational 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:15.080 establishments to justify The Proposal 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.240 as a school but when you calculate the 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:18.919 time when the site will be operating as 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.559 a commercial in establishment including 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:23.399 the high of the hall until 9:00 p.m. on 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.960 week nights and 10:00 p.m. on weekends 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:27.519 the hiring of the sports field until 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.840 9:00 p.m. 7 days a week 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:31.559 the commercial operation of the canteen 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:34.279 via a tender process and the parking of 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.000 buses on the on-site Depot this time 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:39.440 equates to around 35% of the total 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:41.360 business operation which is a clear 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.600 breach of the zoning requirements 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.279 members of the community have concerns 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:46.919 regarding the hire of the facility 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:48.519 especially the amount of time it will be 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.279 used for non-school purposes and if the 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:52.840 independent Planning Commission give the 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:55.399 green light how will it ever be policed 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:56.559 by Camden 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.639 Council one of the issues for site 00:09:58.720 --> 00:09:59.799 suitability 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:01.600 is the driving force behind these sorts 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.159 of developments is the eom economic 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.559 argent we have a strong opinion that 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:08.279 this site was chosen as it was the 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:10.799 cheapest on the market in comparison to 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:12.399 those near the current Green Valley 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.399 campus the amended Eis report can I just 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:16.759 stop you there for one moment can I have 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:18.840 a move in second that that we extend the 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.240 time period given moved counselor 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:22.759 Campbell sec to councelor mlan we're 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:24.360 going to offer you an additional minute 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:26.080 to speak thank 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:29.600 you the amended Eis report States The 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.120 Proposal is in a strategic and currently 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:34.840 underutilized 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.399 area The Proposal claims that they are 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.879 exempt from paying both local government 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:41.879 and state infrastructure 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:43.919 contributions this appears to provide 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.679 the greatest commercial benefit to this 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:47.679 organization as the integral 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:49.840 infrastructure cost will be burdened on 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.240 the existing Community rather than be 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.159 provided by the applicant via any Works 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:57.840 in kind or voluntary planning agreements 00:10:57.919 --> 00:10:59.519 why should the local community have to 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.639 fund Road and Civil Works and further 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:03.879 infrastructure for a commercial entity 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.080 looking to make a profit this proposal 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:07.799 puts a financial burden on those within 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:09.799 the community and has the potential to 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:11.679 put lives at 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.159 risk in conclusion once again the 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:15.840 reports within this application are 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:18.759 contradictory inaccurate inaccurate and 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:21.120 incomplete our concerns over Roads 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.240 Traffic flooding the flood evacuation 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.320 plan the on-site sewage management 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:27.240 system and the affluent Management Area 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:29.879 have not changed until the local council 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:31.639 state government complete holistic 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:33.440 strategic planning and infrastructure 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:35.639 delivery for the region development of 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.320 this SC scale and impact should not be 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:40.440 accepted or endorsed the flow and 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.120 effects for the local community will be 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:43.960 significant and therefore the project is 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:46.559 not in the public interest this amended 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:48.600 proposal provides no benefit to the 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:51.279 existing local community thank you thank 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.600 you so much for your time tonight 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:55.279 we'll move on to the second speaker this 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.720 evening Leo Upton 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:02.600 Leo will be speaking for item one 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:04.879 Council submission on amended state 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:06.159 state significant development 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:09.000 application proposed Minarah college at 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.320 268 to 278 Catherine Fields Ro Catherine 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.320 field your time will begin when you hit 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.960 the button thank 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:25.679 you good evening 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.039 all i' would like to strongly support 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:30.240 the comments made by 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.480 Commander I'd also like to 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:35.200 wholeheartedly endorse the comments made 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:37.200 by Council officers in their letter to 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.039 the Department of planning dated 17 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.039 October 2024 and they reasoning in not 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.639 supporting the Minarah college 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.120 application I would however point out a 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.039 type out in the report which could be 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:55.080 construed as an inconsistency on page 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:59.600 2.1 second paragraph it states the is 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:03.080 not unsuitable for a new school AC 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.399 accommodating up to 980 students that's 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:07.840 a double 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.879 negative It should read not suitable 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:12.759 or unsuitable rather than the double 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.720 negative but the thrust is 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.600 clear I I would also like to add there's 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:20.440 no reference to the Overland flooding 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.480 which occurs frequently on the property 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:25.240 in question which has will be which will 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.559 be exacerbated by the buildings and 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.080 hardstand proposed to be 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.279 constructed the FP flood emergency 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:35.399 response plan that was required to be 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.559 submitted as part of the revised 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.879 application was obviously prepared by 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:41.639 persons that have not visited the site 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:42.919 during Heavy 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:47.200 Rain it it requires 980 kids from KY 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.919 to year 12 to evacuate through the worst 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.000 area of flooding on katheri road to the 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:54.919 Catherine field Community wall 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.080 approximately approximately 1 km away 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:00.480 and battle the traffic the flood water 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:04.240 the curbing no Gathering no footpaths on 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.519 either side of the road only to arrive 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.039 at a hall that would see approximately 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.039 880 unable to get inside the 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:15.960 building hopefully the new coun 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.039 the new coun counselors will have 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.399 acquainted themselves with the proposal 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.399 and understand all the issues raised 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.919 here and in the many submissions on the 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:26.559 state planning 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.720 website I would like to raise one more 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:30.720 issue that is UN likely to be on 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:33.320 unlikely to be on your radar the new 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.480 South W government is currently rushing 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.240 through legislation regarding ssds in 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:39.720 New South 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.639 Wales on the 22nd of July 2024 the New 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.440 South Wales Court of Appeal ruled in the 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.320 case of Bowen versus B bingman catchment 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:53.080 land Care Group and held that the 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.360 independent Planning Commission as a 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.679 consent Authority should have considered 00:14:57.759 --> 00:14:59.519 the likely impacts of a transmission 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.639 line because it was integral and had a 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.080 real and sufficient link with the 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:09.200 development of an open cut silver 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.399 mine I argue that without the sewer and 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.000 the and considering council's objections 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.679 to the ossm system which is integral and 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:22.960 real State planning May breach its 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:24.879 statutory obligations if it approves 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.120 this SSD I hope we don't need I hope we 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.120 don't get the opportunity to test this 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.279 one 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:34.480 too 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.240 Council have been 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:40.480 pretty diligent in their in their 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.279 approach to this I mean the easy the 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:48.600 easy way would be to cop $120 odd 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:51.279 million dollar worth of development 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:52.720 at no 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.200 cost I do I do note though that there 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:59.519 was supposed to be a a statement of 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.799 costs attached to their submission and 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:03.919 there 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:09.279 isn't it's listed in the in the 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:11.159 list of docentations but it doesn't 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.200 appear anywhere so thanks for your time 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.720 and I hope you all that the correct 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:23.080 way thank you so much Mr Mr opton and 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.320 thank you for alerting Council staff 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.799 as well for that little error in the 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:29.840 wording and that has has been rectified 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:30.919 so thank you very much for your 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.279 diligence there counselors do I have 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.000 a move and seconder that the addresses 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.159 be noted moved counselor Campbell second 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.080 and counselor F Deli all those in 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.840 favor unanimous thank you we'll just get 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:47.399 counselor Ferrari back in the room 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:03.720 confirmation of minutes the 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.799 recommendation is on page 14 that the 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:08.640 minutes of the traffic local traffic 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.000 committee meeting held on the 1st of 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.200 October 2024 and the ordinary council 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.440 meeting held on the 15th of October 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:16.240 20124 copies of which have been 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.680 circulated be confirmed and adopted 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.079 could I please have a mover please mover 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:22.880 and seconder moved Council of fidelli 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:25.119 second councilor ferreri councilor 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:26.839 fidelli would you like to speak to the 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.160 recommendation no thank you Madame mayor 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:30.400 with that I put the recommendation 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.119 forward all those in favor unanimous 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:35.480 thank 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.240 you councilors tonight we have two meril 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.279 minutes this evening the first is on 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:42.720 page 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.759 17 meril minute official opening of or 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.279 Park Leisure Center it is with great 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:49.880 pride that I reflect on the official 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:51.880 opening of the or Park Leisure Center 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.000 last month which was a landmark 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:56.960 achievement for Camden Council and of 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.559 course our community this $67 million 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.240 project with large with the largest ever 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.480 undertaken by Camden Council was made 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:07.039 possible through a strong partnership 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:09.880 with greenfields development company it 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:12.440 embodies our commitment to providing our 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.279 residents with exceptional facilities 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.000 close to home the orm park Leisure 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:19.000 Center is far more than a Leisure 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.000 facility it's a place where our 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:23.039 community can come together to Foster 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:25.759 Health well-being and connections 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.759 complete with a 50 m indoor pool a dedic 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.400 headed Leisure Pool A learn to swim pool 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:33.880 a state-of-the-art gym four 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.160 multi-purpose Indoor Sports cords this 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.519 Center offers something for 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:42.599 everybody additionally it houses a spa 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:46.519 sauna Steam Room Cafe crash and ample 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.119 parking all designed with accessibility 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:51.200 and inclusivity at the 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.960 Forefront what truly sets this facility 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:57.400 apart is its focus on accessibility with 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:59.200 just some of those features including 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.160 wheelchair accessible pool hoist and 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.480 changing places accredited 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.440 facilities ensuring other every member 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.440 of our community can enjoy its benefits 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:12.400 this was in part thanks to a grant of 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.759 more than $50,000 from the Department of 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:16.839 Social Services changing places 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:17.880 Commonwealth 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:20.440 funding the opening celebration was a 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.279 memorable day for many reasons attended 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:25.319 by hundreds of residents and highlighted 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.039 by appearances from Olympic gold 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.599 medalists Sarah Ryan and Bron Campbell 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.039 and will chair rugby league star Brad 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:35.559 Grove the excitement was palpable and 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:37.359 as its first visitors explored the 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.920 center with many diving into the pool 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.079 and enjoying the entertainment food and 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:43.160 activities 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:45.400 outside I would like to extend my 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.440 gratitude to Warren and Mahoney 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:49.720 Architects for their outstanding design 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:51.319 and of course to add co- constructions 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.079 for their exceptional work in bringing 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:54.559 this Leisure 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.319 Center working alongside our talented 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.359 major projects and Sport Recreation 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.640 teams together they have done an 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.440 incredible job delivering this opening 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:06.839 delivering and opening this this 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:09.400 fantastic facility for our community 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:11.519 memberships and learn to swim programs 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.359 were already being snapped up long 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:16.559 before the opening and is still 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:18.799 available at the or Park Leisure Center 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.319 offering a new chapter of sport 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:23.720 Recreation and fitness opportunities 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:25.160 right here in 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:28.279 Camden the friendly staff at bluefit are 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:30.799 hand ling a huge amount of requests 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:32.599 highlighting the excitement in the 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.480 community about this 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:37.000 Center I'm excited that we'll be 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:38.839 welcoming more than 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.880 500,000 projected visitors in just 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.799 the first year this facility stands a 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.680 testament to Camden's bright future and 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:48.720 commitment to building an inclusive 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:51.200 active and connected Community the 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:53.160 recommendation is that the information 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:54.799 be noted would anyone like to speak to 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:56.200 the Merl 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:58.279 minute with that I put the Merl minute 00:20:58.359 --> 00:20:59.960 for forward all those in 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.880 favor unanimous thank 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:09.960 you oh gone backwards sorry counselors 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:12.839 the next maral minute is on page 15 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.599 recent award wins it is my pleasure to 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.359 share Campton council's recent 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.160 achievements in receiving three 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.200 prestigious awards that recognize our 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.640 dedication to sustainability and 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:25.799 inclusivity these Awards reflect our 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:27.880 shared commitment to creating a thriving 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:31.000 and inclusive camton for all at the keep 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:32.599 Australia beautiful New South Wales 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:34.680 sustainable cities Awards camon Council 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:36.200 was honored with the waterways and 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:39.079 Marine protection category award for our 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:41.960 napin River restoration works this 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:43.759 project has been transformative 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:46.640 restoring over 300 M of river bank 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:49.400 through Innovative Bank stabil 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.359 stabilization habitat reinstatement and 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:53.759 extensive 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.519 revation Council removed 10 10,000 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:00.319 square m of invasive weeds planted over 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.039 30,000 native plants including 75 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.000 critically endangered Camden white gs 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.680 and installed 10 hardwood River snag 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.000 structures to enhance the river's 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:12.079 natural 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.519 ecology following the flooding in April 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:16.640 in June this year the Project's success 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.799 was evident with sediment acculation a 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.640 remarkable 90% plant survival rate and a 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.279 notable return of wildlife to these 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:27.640 areas this work supported by the New 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:29.160 South Wales government government of 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.359 primary Industries 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:42.240 habit action Grant oh that's lucky and 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:43.559 New South Wales government's 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.599 environmental trust and Sydney Waters 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:48.480 nutrient offset scheme has not only 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.519 revitalized the the nepan river but also 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:54.079 set a new standard in sustainable River 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:58.079 restoration for our community 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.039 and 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.319 Beyond we might just grab another 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.160 mic thank 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:25.200 you additionally Camden's youth week 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.279 program was awarded the most inclusive 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.359 youth week program in New South Wales as 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:31.880 a part of the 2024 local government New 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.119 South Wales local government award W 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.519 week Awards marking the second 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:38.640 consecutive year which is fantastic our 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.039 program has received this honor this 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:43.160 recognition highlights the exceptional 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.039 inclusivity and impact of our youth week 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:48.759 efforts with 15 diverse events and 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.000 participation from over 2,000 young 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.759 people the program truly celebrates our 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:57.039 local youth with 86% of participants 00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.160 reporting feeling connected to to their 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.720 Community this award affirms Camden's 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.359 commitment to fostering a community 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:05.559 where every young person feels valued 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.119 and supported I'm thrilled to announce 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:10.920 council's recent success at the New 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.480 South Wales youth action Awards where we 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.960 were named winners in the outstanding 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:18.880 work with First Nations people category 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:21.960 for the Nugget beams public art project 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:25.279 this initiative was funded by a 10 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:27.960 sorry a 100,000 graffiti management 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:29.640 Grant from the New South Wales 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.279 government which saw the transformation 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:34.480 of the amenities building at nugget beam 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.759 Reserve into a vibrant work of public 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:39.640 art created by First Nation students 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.400 from Elizabeth MacArthur High in 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.119 collaboration with local indigenous 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.000 artists Melissa Barton this project not 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.160 only beautifies the space but also 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.039 instills pride and ownership among the 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.680 students and of course the community 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:55.920 since the Project's completion the site 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.759 has remained graffiti free which is 00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:58.799 wonderful 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:00.680 reflecting the power of community-led 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.480 Art in fostering respectful respect and 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.440 care for shared spaces a heartfelt thank 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.079 you goes to jam Lee Russell Head teacher 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.160 of Creative and Performing Arts at 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:14.480 Elizabeth MacArthur High School along 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.000 with the indigenous clona boys and Kira 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:19.400 girls and Melissa Barton who whose 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:21.440 dedication helped bring this meaningful 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:22.559 project to 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.480 life these Awards underscore the efforts 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.880 of council staff partners and community 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.759 members alike congratulations to all 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.160 involved in these initiatives together 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:34.799 we are building a campden that is 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.880 resilient inclusive and a true source of 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:39.960 Pride the recommendation is that the 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.920 information be noted would anyone like 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.079 to speak to the notice of motion 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.319 councelor mlan h sorry the May minute 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.839 councelor mlan oh thanks Madam mayor I'm 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.680 very very pleasing to hear this and 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.319 and and recognize it just to recognize 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:55.960 all of the staff that were involved in 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:58.319 that a big thank you and and congratul 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:01.079 ation for all of your hard work and and 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:02.880 of course the many community members 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.160 some of them mentioned in here that 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:07.240 Community participation inclusion in 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.480 those projects is very very valuable 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:13.160 and and and shouldn't go without 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.880 recognition as well so thank you thank 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.200 you councelor are there any other 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:19.119 speakers to the meril 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.200 minute with that I put the Merl minute 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.799 forward all those in favor unanimous 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.319 thank you on to item one we'll wait for 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.799 Council f to leave the 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.319 chamber item one Council submission on 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.720 on amended State significant development 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:51.960 application proposed Minarah college at 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.799 268 to 278 Catherine Fields Road 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.240 Catherine field the recommendation is on 00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.759 page 26 do I have a move and second 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.480 please move to councelor mlan second to 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:06.720 councelor Campbell councelor 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.319 mlan thanks Madam mayor happy to speak 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:14.480 in favor of the motion and also want 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.480 to recognize our two speakers Amanda 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:21.759 aiser and Leo Upton who both spoke in 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.519 support of the objection to the the 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.119 motion in objection to the proposal as 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.359 well they 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.079 raised a a long list of items of 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.240 which I won't repeat because I 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:39.640 think I'm in total agreement to what 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:40.839 they have 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.079 raised water sewage effluent 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.359 management flooding water movement 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:48.680 floor 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.759 space zoning problems Road and 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:52.759 traffic 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.519 issues and they're all notable 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:57.839 important items the the big one for me 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.759 though is really the the precinct issue 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:02.799 and that we have to get that longer term 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.359 Precinct planning occurring and 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.160 obviously if this was to go out to go 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:09.799 ahead I do know of course the other 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.640 important matter is it's a a state 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.359 significant development so it's it's in 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:14.440 the hands 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:19.759 of state government but we do need to 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:21.559 really strongly acknowledge that if 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.759 developments such as this were to go 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.880 ahead then they put a massive hole in 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.039 that longer term Precinct planning model 00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.480 and master planning of our future 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.920 development in in Camden local 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:36.599 government area and that's really really 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:38.440 important that we get that right and and 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:40.799 that is being done reasonably well in in 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.839 in in in other areas but when we 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.279 put a massive I guess barrier in the 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.519 in the way it prevents that from taking 00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:52.559 place and it limits a lot of those and 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.039 puts restrictions on how that Precinct 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.359 might be planned into the future so 00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.480 mainly for that purpose quite 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:01.839 strategically and and long-term 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:05.359 significance is is is probably a key 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.920 point which I wanted to to highlight 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.160 thank you thank you councelor are there 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.000 any speakers for the 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:17.279 recommendation are councelor 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.359 Campbell it's interesting that this has 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.119 come back a second time to 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.279 council and it's important to note that 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.920 the amended St significant development 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.240 application is still assessed 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.160 by people outside of this Council in 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:38.640 fact the department of planning housing 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:40.640 and infrastructure because the value is 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.640 over $20 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:46.440 million now it has up to 980 students 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:48.519 the original da submitted to the 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:49.680 Department of planning housing and 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:52.880 infrastructure was a lot bigger in June 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:55.319 22 and as a state significant 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:56.839 development we would have expected the 00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:58.759 minister for planning or his or her 00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.240 delegate should be the consent Authority 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.160 but because the development application 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.960 isn't supported by Council and has over 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.200 50 unique public submissions the consent 00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:11.160 Authority in this instance becomes the 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.599 independent Planning Commission now 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.720 we're talking about two residential lots 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:17.920 as we've heard lot 11 and 12 Catherine 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.480 Fields Road they're rural they're unsued 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.720 they're mainly single residentially 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.279 developments around those two lots The 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.880 Proposal takes out 2 30 mature 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:34.359 trees the area is zoned iu2 primary 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:36.440 production small Lots in cen's local 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:39.079 environmental plan 2010 and while 00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:41.119 educational establishments are 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.759 permissible with consent in that zone 00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.200 the proposed development is inconsistent 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.039 with the rural zoning and there's 00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.000 limited infrastructure for example roads 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.039 there's a lack of articulated sewage 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.440 system conflict between existing land 00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:59.759 uses in the area and the proposed land 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:02.559 use the proposed development is way out 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.599 of sync with future planning as as 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:07.799 Council mlan said and as such seriously 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.920 adversely impacts future Planning 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.920 Development in that area the potential 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.240 health risks associated with on-site 00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.440 Wastewater and affluent disposal onto 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.640 Playing Fields is just horrendous the 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.880 noise and traffic from school activities 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.359 and additional weekend use of halls and 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.400 sports Fields would have been 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.640 significant and the times are 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.839 interesting here 700 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.000 for school operation which is a very 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.000 extended school year for primary school 00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:40.759 students and indeed for high school 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.119 students a 6:30 finish for after school 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.160 care the hall operating from 9:00 a.m. 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:50.240 to 10 p.m. on Saturday and Sunday the 00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.519 sports fields from 5 to 900 p.m. Monday 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.200 to Friday and 9:00 a.m. to 900 p.m. on 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.160 Saturday and Sunday now the other thing 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:01.960 that troubled me in this too was the 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.079 decrease in student nbers that was 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.400 proposed as one of the speakers said 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.319 appears to contradict be contradicted by 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:11.559 the Limited size decrease of the 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.160 facilities that are being planned and 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.240 you can't help thinking why build a 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.480 bigger building for 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.359 980 980 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.759 students the community 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.920 responses raised a multitude of concerns 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.200 both at the last development application 00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.359 and this modified one 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.559 and I think we as a council because we 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.440 know our area have to support the 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.160 residents because they know the area in 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.440 which they live now I notice they've all 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.160 gone but I would have liked to thank the 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.759 residents who referred copies of their 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.640 submissions to me if I missed anyone 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.480 when I was reading them at 12 no 12 00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:58.880 Mid midnight and 1:00 a.m. in the 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.759 morning then I sincerely apologize and 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.559 I'd also like to commend Leo Upton it's 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.039 rare to see someone with a command of 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:10.240 English grammar that extends to double 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.039 negatives I was 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.119 impressed thank you counselor are there 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:16.200 any other speakers for the 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.359 recommendation counselor 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.279 Ramen thank you Madame may I really want 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.880 to thank local residents and the 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.519 council staff to bring this 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.160 submissions on the business paper I was 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.200 concerned about the children's safety on 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.559 roads prior to this school going 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.759 ahead particularly when I actually saw 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.680 the submission it's mentioned about UNS 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.599 lands and also mention the risk to 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:50.880 children being exposed to influent 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.440 by using the EMA as a sports field 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.200 you can see also they have mentioned 00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:58.160 the potential 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.759 risk of disease outbreak should be 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.240 school children come in contact this 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.279 is somewhere we need to question on the 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.599 children future safety besides their 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.840 risk on the field so I really appreciate 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.599 that way submissions has been proceed 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.639 with and also we are going ahead with 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:20.960 not to proceed with this decision thank 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.320 you Madame May thank you councelor Ramen 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:24.880 are there any other speakers for the 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.840 recommendation councilor fidelli oh 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.920 thank you Madame mayor I'd also like 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:32.559 to thank the speakers and it was great 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:34.920 to see the residents here supporting 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.719 each other they're all here as it's 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.159 their homes their 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.719 livelihood probably many of them have 00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.480 just moved in the area or there existing 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.079 and to be in the last two years I 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:48.239 think this has been happening to be 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.960 shocked by something like this is 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.880 probably affecting a lot of them 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.880 probably mentally healthwise also 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.320 I'll probably just repeat what some of 00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:57.960 the other counselors have said but just 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.639 in do Point 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.559 the traffic the sewer near the fields 00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:06.400 the roads AR conditioned to have a 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:07.920 school like this there's still rural 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.280 roads there's no lights there's no 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.119 Pathways I think I read in the report 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.519 it's going to be like 35% commercial so 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.519 they'll be renting the hall out as I 00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.119 think one of the speakers said how do 00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.880 we Poli on it going past 10:00 I think I 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.280 read it was 10:00 but I don't know if 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:28.800 you're going to call the police I think 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:30.079 these days it's 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:34.679 12:00 again the sewer on plant sewage 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.280 not healthy especially if it 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:38.800 floods 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.320 if it was to go ahead I think I saw 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.079 the construction goes in four stages or 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.519 four years I mean that'll be a nightmare 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.159 with all the trucks going up and down 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.880 that road I mean they can't even support 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.920 the roads now so all the concrete trucks 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.840 and all the traies it'll be just a 00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:00.880 disaster so I definitely will be 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.880 supporting the council's officer's 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:06.599 recommendation thank you councilor 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.239 fidelli are there any other speakers for 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.679 the 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.920 recommendation against the 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.679 recommendation do we have any 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.360 questions with that I put the 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.440 recommendation forward all those in 00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:21.239 favor unanimous thank 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.480 you we'll just wait for councelor 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.400 Ferrari to return 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.320 item two adoption of annual Financial 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.760 State statements ending year 30 June 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.360 2024 the recommendation is on page 29 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.840 but councilors I'd like to first ask if 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.119 there's a mover and second of a01 only 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.000 that Council resolve 00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.800 that a representative from council's 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:01.960 external auditor audit office of New 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.400 South Wales addressed Council on the 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.000 annual financial statements and 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.760 financial performance for the year 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.360 ending 30 June 2024 moved councelor 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.840 Campbell second and councelor mlan are 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.199 there any speakers to the motion with 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:19.639 that I put the motion forward all those 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:23.800 in favor unanimous thank 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.280 you okay I'd like to welcome Miss 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.920 Mary Yuan from the audit office of New 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.719 South Wales to present to us here 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.000 this 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.039 evening thank 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.920 you good evening everyone thank you 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.199 Madame mayor and counselors for the 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.440 invitation to present the rocker the 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.519 report on the conduct of the audit for 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.039 Camden Council for year end of 30th June 00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.360 2024 tonight tonight I'll be taking you 00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.760 through the results of a financial 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.199 statement audit and a high level 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.079 snapshot of your council's financial 00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:04.559 performance compared to the industry 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.280 benchmarks the office of local 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.719 government has set before going through 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.679 this I thought I acknowledge that there 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.000 are a few new counselors on board which 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.280 I would like to take this opportunity to 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:16.719 give you a background to the role of the 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.920 order General and what we 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.840 do this is the eighth year the order 00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:28.800 office has conducted audits of local 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.559 councils since we gained the Mandate in 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.480 2016 we have operated for 200 years with 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.119 the audit General reporting to the New 00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:37.760 South Wales Parliament to help 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.519 Parliament hold government accountable 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.519 for its use of its public resources as 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.880 delegate of the order General my role 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.760 includes providing independent Assurance 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:48.559 on the financial statements and 00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:50.119 supporting schedules prepared by 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.760 management and endorsed by Council I 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.400 report my findings to management and 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:55.920 Council as well as New South Wales 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.039 Parliament through the sector a report 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.400 to 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.719 Parliament our sector report will report 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.039 on financial statement audit results 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:11.960 Financial controls information 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.039 technology and cyber controls as well as 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.719 governance matters across 150 local 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.719 councils joint organizations and County 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.079 councils this rep report will provide 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.280 useful information for Council to 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.760 understand key themes and findings 00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:29.360 across the 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.400 sector aside from financial statement 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.440 audits we also have a work program each 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.599 year which sets out likely performance 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.079 audits over the next three years 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.280 performance audits for local councils 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:45.880 will focus on long-term financial 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.400 planning climate risk to local 00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:50.679 government assets and services Western 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.599 Sy at ratropolis Performance Management 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:55.800 and monitoring waste management and 00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.320 audits of specific government governance 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.920 issues within a particular 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.639 Council that is a smary of what we do 00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.800 and our role I will now turn to my 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.159 report on the conduct of the 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.880 audit I have audited the general purpose 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:18.559 financial statements of Camen Council 00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:20.719 for the year ended 30th June 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.079 2024 in my report I have expressed an 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.239 unmodified audit opinion which means the 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.199 financial statements present fairly in 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.280 all material respects the financial 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:32.880 position and financial performance of 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.360 the Council on the screen I have a 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:36.920 snapshot of the council's income 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.599 statement the results show that Council 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.320 achieved a net operating Surplus from 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:42.960 continuing operations of 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.760 134.5 million which is a 27 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:51.199 27.3% increase from PRI year when 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:52.480 excluding Capital grants and 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.400 contribution this is a net operating 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.280 deficit of 19.6 million which has 00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:59.679 decrease on prior year this is mainly 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.039 due to expenses exceeding income once 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:03.920 Capital grants and contributions have 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.360 been 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.440 excluded although there was an increase 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.599 in rates and annual charges by 8.5 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:12.159 million or 9% which was mainly due to a 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.880 rate increase of 6.8% there was an 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:18.719 overall 15.6 million or 10% increase in 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:23.800 expenses of the 15.6 million increase 13 00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:25.719 million was related to employee benefits 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.679 and on- cost and material and service 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.440 expenses the report on conduct also 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:36.239 reports on the council's financial 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.400 position at 30th June 2024 Council held 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.239 a combined 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.320 $292.33 292 million 2222.5 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.760 million is externally 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.760 restricted externally restricted 00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.119 balances represent funds reserved for 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.719 specific purpose usually due to 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.920 legislation whilst balances are 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.800 internally restricted usually due to 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.480 council policy or decisions for future 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.239 plans at 30th June 2024 the internally 00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:15.880 restricted balance was 66.3 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.039 Million the office of local government's 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.199 code sets out what needs to be covered 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.159 by my report on the conduct of the audit 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.760 as reported in note f5- one of the 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:32.039 council's financial statements there are 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:33.960 six key performance ratios which are 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:35.599 audited within the general purpose 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:36.639 financial 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.119 statements overall the council has met 00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.639 three out of the six industry 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.559 benchmarks set by office of local 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.800 government and consistent with prior 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.320 year the council continues to exceed the 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.840 OG Benchmark for unrestricted current 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.079 ratio Debt Service cover ratio and cash 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:55.440 expense cover 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.159 ratios the unrestrict current ratio is 00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:59.760 specific to local government and 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:02.000 represents council's ability to meet its 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.480 short-term obligations as they for due 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.679 the unrestricted current ratio of 2.57 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.159 times meant the industry Benchmark of 00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:12.679 1.5 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.480 times this shows a sound liquidity 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.079 position where council is able to meet 00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.280 creditors and other 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.079 liabilities The Debt Service cover ratio 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:25.000 was 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.079 2.29 exceeding the benchmark Mark of two 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.800 times this ratio measures the operating 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.519 cash available to service 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.199 debt and finally the cash expense cover 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.840 ratio of 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:44.000 21.56% this indicates that Council has 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.840 the capacity to cover over 21 months of 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.599 cash expenditure without additional cash 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.559 inflows at 30 of June 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.360 2024 not withstanding the three 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.880 benchmarks I just mentioned I also knowe 00:43:57.960 --> 00:43:59.599 that council did not meet three of the 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:01.840 other six Ben of the benchmarks set 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.880 by Og they are operating performance 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.639 ratio own source operating Revenue ratio 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:10.159 and the rates and annual charges 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:11.519 outstanding 00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.360 percentage council's operating 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.199 performance ratio measures how well a 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:16.800 council contains its operating 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.280 expenditure within operating Revenue 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.119 this ratio was 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.199 -36% which is below the Benchmark of 00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:27.159 0% although the council continues to 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:28.679 meet this Benchmark the ratio has 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:34.119 improved compared to 2021 which was at 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.840 9.8% and whilst Council has reported a $ 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.119 44.4 million increase in Revenue much of 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.039 that increase around 41.9 million 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.559 related to Capital grants and 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.079 contributions income which is excluded 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:48.840 from the calculation of the operating 00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:51.360 performance ratio set by 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.039 OGG I'd like to also reinforce that 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.800 ratio should never be looked at in 00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.159 isolation when when evaluating a 00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:00.239 council's financial 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.599 sustainability evaluation using ratio 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.880 should consider both short-term and 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.159 long-term indicators such as liquidity 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.559 as well as its long-term planning which 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.719 Council I would like to also knowe 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:14.800 Council has positive liquidity position 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.440 as mentioned in the previous three 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.719 ratios in terms of the own source 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.280 operating Revenue ratio Council reported 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:26.159 a 46.2 3% which is below the Benchmark 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:27.880 set by Og at 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.679 60% again the ratio has improved since 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.880 2021 where the ratio was sitting at 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.840 31.6% the the this ratio measures 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.039 council's fiscal flexibility and the 00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:41.719 degree to which it relies on external 00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.239 funding sources such as operating 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.239 grants the council's own source 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:47.719 operating Revenue ratio has declined 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.480 compared to 2023 which is primarily due 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:52.480 to an increase in non-cash capital 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.000 dedications received during the 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.599 year and finally Council rates and 00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:59.880 annual charges outstanding percentage of 00:45:59.960 --> 00:46:02.800 6.9% this ratio assesses the impact of 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.960 uncollected rates and charges on 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.719 council's liquidity and the adequacy of 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:11.239 debt recovery efforts at 30 June 2024 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:12.519 there was an increase of rates and 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:14.960 annual charges collectible by $8.7 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:17.719 million compared to last year I'd like 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.079 to acknowledge that Council has 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:21.000 reintroduced step recovery action in 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.000 late 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.239 2022 this is evidenced by a slight 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.440 Improvement of the ratio since 2022 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.519 so just in smary overall Council has 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:34.280 cash to meet debts as they for due and 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.159 they have met three audited OG ratios as 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.159 reported in the report on the conduct of 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.159 the audit and in note f5- one in the 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:43.239 financial 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.280 statements I would like to thank the 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.679 audit risk and Improvement committee the 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.960 general manager and Council particularly 00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.280 the finance staff for the cooperation 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.360 assistance throughout the conduct of the 00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:56.519 audit this year and once again thank you 00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:58.800 madam mayor and councilors for inviting 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.840 me to present tonight that closes my 00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.280 presentation thank you thank you so much 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.440 Miss Newan for your Yan for your time 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.440 this evening and presenting to council 00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.119 are there any questions before we 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.760 proceed Council McLean thank you 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.400 Madame mayor and thank you for your 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.239 presentation Mary appreciate it where 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.079 would you see council's long term 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.480 strategic Financial 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.119 risks 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:40.280 apologies so in terms of our so as 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:42.599 mentioned earlier we do issue State 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.800 sector reports to Parliament and that is 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:48.760 publicly available once we publish that 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:52.960 the latest one we have is the 2003 00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:54.599 local government sector report which is 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:56.199 based on financial position and 00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.440 Financial statements for the year 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:00.280 ended 30th June 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.960 2023 in that report we report on some 00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:05.599 Comm common themes and challenges and 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.159 trends that we see across the sector 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.320 they largely relate to governance asset 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.760 management and valuation processes as 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.800 well as it and subc which I've mentioned 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:18.440 earlier I must say with Camden being a 00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.000 growth Council what I can comment on is 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.199 that it does not have a going concern 00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:24.880 matter that is what we evaluate as part 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.760 of our audit and also notably Camden is 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.039 a growth council with fast growth in 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:33.360 infrastructure property plan and 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.400 Equipment whether they are contributed 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.719 assets by developers or constructed by 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.320 the council the sheer vole of new 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:41.719 assets coming through each year would 00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:43.719 mean that Council would need robust 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.519 processes in place to ensure management 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.000 of assets and valuation process can keep 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.199 up with the growth and change I would 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.119 see that as one of the key challenges 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.239 for Camden based on my 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.719 audit Thank you very very 00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.159 much okay counselors I would like to ask 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.079 for a move on second for points two 00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.760 and three of the recommendation please 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:06.320 moved councelor Ramen second and 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.920 councelor fidelli are there any speakers 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:11.079 for or against with that I put the 00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:12.840 recommendation forward all those in 00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:16.760 favor unanimous thank 00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.079 you all right on to item 00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.639 three results against budget and rotes 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:26.920 for year ending 30 June 2024 for the 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.239 recommendation is on 00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.360 page 44 do I have a move and seconder 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.519 please moved councelor mlan seconded 00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.239 councelor fidelli councelor 00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:40.599 mlan thank you Madame mayor 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:42.920 nothing much to mention around this 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.199 we did receive a detailed briefing a 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.400 week or two ago about this and we had a 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.280 good discussion around it so I'm 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:54.039 pleased to support it thank you 00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.840 councelor are there any speakers for the 00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:57.840 recommendation 00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.199 against the 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.440 recommendation are there any 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:03.199 questions with that I put the 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.639 recommendation forward all those in 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:09.159 favor unanimous thank 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.559 you on to item four rates annual charges 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.360 and sunry de debts written off for the 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.719 2023 2024 Financial year the 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.159 recommendation is on page 47 do I have a 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.480 mve in second please move to councelor 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.320 fidelli Second councelor quinel 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.119 councelor fidelli thank you M May a 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.719 local government regulation happy to 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.840 support thank you councelor are there 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.159 any speakers for the 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:36.800 recommendation against the 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.800 recommendation are there any questions 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:41.119 with that I put the recommendation 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:42.800 forward all those in 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:46.639 favor unanimous thank 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:50.280 you on to item five campon sports club 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.360 10 10 a and 10B cordor Road Camden the 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.800 recommendation is on page 51 do I have a 00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.280 move and second second please M 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:00.079 councelor Campbell seconded councelor 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:03.039 quel councelor 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.920 Campbell I'd like to begin by 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.000 acknowledging that the Camden Sports 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.239 Club went out themselves and obtained a 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.760 grant for 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:18.519 $13,300 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.159 towards installing a long overdue 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.679 lift to the second story of their 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.239 building 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.519 the stair 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.840 chair that did exist there if you 00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:36.719 were forced to use it was like taking 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.639 your life into your own hands made the 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:41.840 most terrible noises and it must must 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.119 have been so insecure to anyone who had 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.079 to sit on it to try and get 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:51.159 upstairs and that facility has been over 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:52.800 the time that the sports club has 00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:54.039 existed since 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.639 1954 a huge part of of the Camden 00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:01.920 Community because people held wedding 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:05.559 breakfasts and wakes and birthday 00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.880 parties there at a very very reasonable 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.800 cost to to the people who wanted to use 00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:14.360 that facility I'm aware that often 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:15.920 people are allowed to use it Community 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.199 groups are allowed to use it for free 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.119 and it's it's hosted a range of other 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.840 clubs like the Rotary Club and the 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:25.480 Camden Chamber of Commerce when it 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:29.039 existed or all Ed that upstairs facility 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.039 so the fact that that will now become 00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:33.360 accessible and that those terrible 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:35.480 pillars will be gone from it will make 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.000 that a much more viable area for the 00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:40.960 community to 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:42.559 congregate 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.440 as I said accessibility wise that's 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:49.000 long overdue so basically for S and a 00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.280 half decades the club as first of all 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:54.280 the Camden Bowling Club and now the 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.039 Camden Sports Club has paid rent to 00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:59.599 council because we own the 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.079 building we haven't done anything for 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.039 them though in all that time because 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.519 they did their own maintenance and 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:12.280 repairs and and looked after the club 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.760 themselves when they almost lost their 00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.880 position in the late latter part of the 00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:21.960 last century and were temporarily taken 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.840 over by wests what happened then was 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:27.079 their major source of resid revenue and 00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.199 I'm not a PO machine offici andado or 00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.840 supporter but they lost their poker 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:36.280 machines to West West came to help took 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.719 the goodies and returned to Campbell 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.960 town and it was only due to the 00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:44.159 significance that that building holds in 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.760 the community that led a group of 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:51.000 sporting clubs from the rugby league the 00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:54.159 Rams to to the netballers all sorts of 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.760 people came together to to save that 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.039 facility for the community and again I 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:01.800 commend those people for that and their 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.360 ongoing attempts to maintain it I think 00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.599 the key sentence for me in that whole 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:12.360 report is quote expected standard of a 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.360 council owned facility and I think if 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:18.840 we're not setting the lead example and 00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:20.519 supporting the groups that are 00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:23.760 supporting us then we're basically not 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.719 living up to the standard that we 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:29.039 should be as counselors who know their 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:33.280 community so I'm absolutely delighted to 00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:39.079 to support this ordinary item I'd 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:42.760 also like us to consider as a council 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:46.039 going on a Works inspection to the club 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:49.079 I'm aware I mean I go in and out through 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.320 because of CWA and funerals and all 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:53.360 sorts of things but I'm aware that some 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.840 people aren't familiar with the inside 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:57.760 of the building or the facilities that 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.119 are there and I think it would do us 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.280 a lot of good to go and have a look at 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.760 what's there and possibly the proposed 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:08.519 plans 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.519 around bathroom facilities for 00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.440 example and access to the bathroom 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.480 facilities I think that would do the 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.800 counselors and possibly the officers 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.440 a great deal of 00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:23.840 benefit thank you councelor Campbell are 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:25.519 there any other or are there any 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:27.000 speakers for the 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.199 recommendation Council 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.400 McLean thanks Madame may very happy 00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:34.719 to support this 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:38.559 motion for all the reasons that 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.480 Council Campbell's just mentioned and 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.280 that's listed in the report we did get a 00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.280 a comprehensive briefing and had a 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.719 had a detailed discussion on this two 00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:51.000 weeks ago I think it was and which 00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:53.000 was very very useful and we have 00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:54.920 discussed it previously at Council as 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.840 well the big one for me though is 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.159 that 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.559 we as a community we are delivering 00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:06.840 brand new I guess shiny Assets in other 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.239 parts of the the growth parts of the 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.639 LGA and sometimes it has been 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.320 mentioned to me that we're not always 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.920 investing in or it might be seen as 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.000 we're not investing in some of those 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:25.599 aging Assets in the older areas of 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.960 the GA so this project really 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:30.719 highlights that we are and we are 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:33.760 focusing on those those Community 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.559 assets that are important and valued by 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:38.119 so many in the community so I'm very 00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:39.760 very pleased to support 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:42.320 it are there any other speakers for the 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.000 recommendation councelor fidelli 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:46.239 thank you I definitely will be 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:47.519 supporting this 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.320 also yes ever I've been down there 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.199 it's the toilets are atrocious aren't 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:58.320 they but again being a council 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.760 asset we do have to look into these 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:06.920 repairs counselor mlan yes we do 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.039 deliver a lot of 00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.280 new part halls and everything but a 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.280 lot of them aren't all financed by 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:18.320 Council and I do tell the community that 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:20.039 so I think it's a little bit unfair to 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:23.480 say that some of these Council old 00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.320 assets TLC which we are will 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:29.000 eventually get them all done but all the 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.360 new ones aren't all paid by Council so 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.280 and I do that make that very clear to 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:35.239 the 00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:37.440 community thank you councilor fidelli 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.079 are there any other speakers for the 00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:41.719 recommendation against the 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.199 recommendation do we have any 00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:45.880 questions with that I put the 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.920 recommendation forward all those in 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.760 favor unanimous thank 00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:54.199 you on to item six September review of 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:57.280 the 20242 budget the recommendation is 00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:59.840 on page 59 do I have a mover and 00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:02.840 seconder please moved councelor mlan 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.760 seconder councelor Ferrari councelor 00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:13.639 mlan thank you Madame mayor happy to 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.400 support this motion 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.360 and and don't really have a huge 00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:21.079 amount to add other than it has been 00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:22.920 obviously discussed at briefing as 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:25.199 well thank you are there any speakers 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:26.840 for the recommend 00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:29.360 ation against the 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.480 recommendation do we have any questions 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:33.800 with that I put the recommendation 00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:35.679 forward all those in 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.639 favor unanimous thank 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:44.239 you on to item 7 20123 2024 annual 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.440 report and the 2022 2024 state of the 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.119 campden local government area report the 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.440 recommendation is on page 61 do I have a 00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:54.920 mover and seconder please move to 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:56.599 counselor for Delhi second and councelor 00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:58.719 quel councilor fidelli thank you Madame 00:58:58.800 --> 00:58:59.800 quite happy to support the 00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:01.719 recommendation thank you are there any 00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:03.159 speakers for the 00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:05.159 recommendation against the 00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.360 recommendation are there any 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.519 questions Council 00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.400 mlan thank you Madame may just a 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:16.119 question in relation to the state of the 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:20.840 LGA report U I'm trying to bring it 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:24.000 up the item 00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:27.360 on page 12 which is the I guess the 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.599 smary of 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.239 of of all the 00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:34.519 achievements I guess I wanted to try and 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.360 understand more the well two items 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:41.000 particular in relation to increased 00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.880 vehicle well the the the measurement or 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.800 the kpi is vehicle and pedestrian 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:49.639 crashes decreasing or or 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.159 declining and it's actually gone up a 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:55.280 little bit so I was and and the local 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:58.719 business one has gone down a fraction so 00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.199 perhaps that's less of a lesson of an 01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:03.119 issue but certainly the pedest vehicle 01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:07.800 and pedestrians has gone up and so is 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:10.800 does that warrant a 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.519 monitoring icon and how are the 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.400 monitoring items I guess assigned and 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:19.039 shouldn't there be one assigned to that 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:19.920 if 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.880 it's if it's trending the opposite 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:26.800 direction Mr general manager I might 01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:28.679 refer this to our director of 01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:30.840 customer and corporate strategy in terms 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.079 of of how we place an indicator on each 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.440 of these items noting the the the 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.679 changes that you've mentioned 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.519 counselor through you Mr general 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.280 manager Council I have to take the 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.239 detail on notice for you there are 01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:51.840 variations that are applied to our our 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.480 metrics which if they were within a 01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:56.400 certain tolerance they would be 01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:58.199 considered on or off track the 01:00:58.280 --> 01:00:59.920 particular metrics you've spoken to 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.039 actually Trend metrics so we don't 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.239 technically report them on or off track 01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:06.760 they're they're a trend but in terms of 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:08.599 the detail behind those metrics I'd have 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.000 to take that on notice and get back to 01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:14.440 you are there any other questions with 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.079 that I put the recommendation forward 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:17.320 all those in 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.239 favor unanimous thank 01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.840 you on to item eight acceptance of grant 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.639 funding text seniors the recommendation 01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.239 is on page 64 do I have a move and 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.639 second please move to councelor F Deli 01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:35.679 seconded councel quel councelor fidelli 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.639 yeah thank you always great to accept 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.079 grant funding thanks are there any 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:41.519 speakers for the 01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:43.760 recommendation against the 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:46.280 recommendation are there any questions 01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:47.559 with that I put the recommendation 01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:50.719 forward all those in favor unanimous 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:51.960 thank 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:55.119 you on to item nine acceptance of grant 01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:56.920 funding roads to recovery the 01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:59.400 recommendation is on page 66 do I have a 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.159 mover and seconder please move councelor 01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:03.800 Ramen second and councelor mlan 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.239 councelor 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:12.760 ramen Madame mayor happy to proed thank 01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.159 you are there any speakers for the 01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.199 recommendation councelor 01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:19.880 mlan fantastic to accept this 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:22.599 Grant and acknowledging and 01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.159 recognizing that it's it's so much 01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.360 greater and better to see that this is a 01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.480 5year process now so many of the 01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:35.519 federal and state grants are are quite 01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:37.440 especially the small and medi ones are 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:41.000 very very shortterm I guess ad hoc 01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:42.800 and even many of the larger ones like 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:44.239 the federal assistance grants for 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:47.199 example are you know announced on either 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:48.719 sides of financial year so it's it's 01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:50.079 really really good to actually see this 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:52.199 a little bit more strategically focused 01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.639 and and I certainly commend 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.000 government and and request that they 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.239 look at that with other Grant programs 01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:03.239 thank you thank you counselor are there 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:05.079 any other speakers for the 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:06.559 recommendation against the 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:09.280 recommendation are there any questions 01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:10.599 with that I put the recommendation 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.599 forward all those in favor unanimous 01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:14.599 thank 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:17.960 you on to item 10 pre-public exhibition 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:20.000 draft Communications and Community 01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:23.480 engagement strategy 2024 2028 the 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:25.840 recommendation is on page 69 do I have 01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:28.239 move and seconder please M councelor 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:31.039 Campbell seconded councelor ferar 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.840 councelor 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:37.239 Campbell happy to support this going out 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:39.199 as a draft 01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:41.960 policy would really like to encourage 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:44.199 community members to have a careful look 01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:46.960 at it and to put a submission in 01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:49.480 submission is just another Posh word for 01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.440 a letter tell us what you think and feel 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:56.800 please the phrase to have a more incl 01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:58.960 well the sentence part sentence more 01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.519 inclusive environment for all 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.519 stakeholders I endorse fully although 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:07.199 stakeholders always reminds me of 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:11.039 Dracula I think it sounds lovely to 01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:15.079 use words like candid factual relevant 01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.440 and genuine but personally I'm unsure 01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:20.239 that we actually measure up to those 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:23.559 words on occasion certainly The Advisory 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:27.320 committees in my opinion lack the 355 01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:30.199 committee's influence of the past but 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:32.440 I'd be delighted to see the community's 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:34.239 responses on 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:36.639 this thank you councelor are there any 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:38.719 speakers for the 01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:41.559 recommendation against the 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.079 recommendation are there any 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:45.840 questions with that I put the 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.239 recommendation forward all those in 01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:52.239 favor unanimous thank 01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:56.159 you on to item 11 post public exhibition 01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:58.440 draft development controls ridg lines 01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:00.920 and steep land the recommendation is on 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.719 page 76 do I have a mover and second 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.079 please mve councelor Campbell second and 01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.199 councelor mlan councelor 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:12.079 Campbell I'm absolutely delighted to 01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.119 see the adoption of this 01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:18.519 draft I recall an incident in an 01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:22.440 estate not far from here where flow 01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:25.960 across across ground flow was flood ing 01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:28.239 houses at the bottom of a hill and 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:31.000 flooding swimming pools and it cost us a 01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.840 moza in money and continues to cost us a 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.599 moah in money because everybody seemed 01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:39.559 to be surprised that water runs really 01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:43.920 fast downhill when it rains a lot so to 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.559 avoid that sort of thing is and that 01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:50.119 sort of expenditure is to be commended I 01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:52.960 noticed that we had support from 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.760 agencies from the rural fire service or 01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:57.639 New South Wales Heritage New South Wales 01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:01.840 transport New South Wales the sces 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:05.400 that they were all in favor of the 01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:08.280 the idea it seemed to me and I might 01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.000 have been reading this with a dawn eye 01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:12.760 that most of the people who were 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.280 questioning it were probably doing so 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.800 with dollars in their eyes because again 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:21.360 as over the years that I've been on 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:23.800 Council I've watched land 01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.599 dedicated by by developers to council 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:30.679 for our maintenance and control which is 01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:34.840 the worst land in their area and the 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:37.000 land that they can't effectively flog 01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:40.280 off to somebody and build on so anything 01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:43.559 that stops that sort of practice has my 01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:46.400 entire support because this is about 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.159 creating a a community for now and for 01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:51.880 the future and a council that can manage 01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:55.079 to maintain the facilities of of that 01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:56.159 community 01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:57.960 not about making a quick buck and 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.639 clearing off somewhere else thank you 01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:02.800 councelor are there any other speakers 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:04.920 for the 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:07.440 recommendation councelor 01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:10.719 mlan thanks Madame mayor we we 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.719 obviously this went through Council 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:15.199 last term and we've received a couple of 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:17.559 briefings on it again and one very very 01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:20.039 recently and I'm very very pleased to 01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:23.039 support it I think we really really 01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:25.840 value our ridg lines in this in this 01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:27.519 community and and we have done a pretty 01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:29.320 good job at protecting many of them but 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:30.480 this will 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:33.519 ensure that that we do an even better 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:36.960 job in the future so I'm very 01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:39.079 supportive thank you councelor are there 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:41.119 any other speakers for the 01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:43.840 recommendation against the 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:46.400 recommendation are there any 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:48.119 questions with that I put the 01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:50.519 recommendation forward all those in 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:55.440 favor unanimous thank you 01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.000 okay on to item 12 Council of 01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.079 representation on committees and other 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:04.960 bodies the recommendation is on page 01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:10.320 83 do I have a mve in second 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:13.639 please that we commence the process 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.319 of nominating move to councelor Campbell 01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:19.079 second to councelor Ramen councilors 01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:21.000 I'd like to note that our advisory 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.000 committees and reference groups are 01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:25.399 generally generally have up to two 01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:27.600 Council of Representatives however 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.560 Council may choose to appoint additional 01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:32.960 counselors in this respect we have 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.399 some reference groups tonight where more 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:37.439 than two councilors have 01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:40.159 nominated I will therefore be asking 01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.880 you as we go through those reference 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.159 groups to determine if you will be happy 01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.359 to support more than two councelor 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:49.880 Representatives on those committees I 01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:52.359 will also be asking you a similar 01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:54.800 question about appointments to the 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:57.600 McCary Gallery limited when we reach 01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:01.399 that body also are there any speakers to 01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:03.640 the 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:05.720 motion with that I put the 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.279 recommendation forward all those in 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:12.239 favor unanimous thank 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.479 you all 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:22.640 right so for further to 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:26.239 point hold on a moment 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:28.720 where are we 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:53.239 at all right moving on to point three of 01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:56.479 the recommendation 01:09:57.159 --> 01:09:59.399 that 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:02.319 we nominate and appoint counselors as 01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.319 members of the respective panels 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:06.079 committees reference groups and other 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.159 bodies in accordance with the proposed 01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:11.600 nominations outlined in attachment one 01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:13.960 or as otherwise determined by Council 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:15.880 including any committees or reference 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:18.319 groups that have otherwise been 01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:21.479 dissolved do we have a moover and 01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:23.319 seconder for 01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:26.039 point three 01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:27.760 of the recommendation moved councelor 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:30.279 McLean second and councelor 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.920 ramen are there any speakers for or 01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:35.199 against all those in 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:38.600 favor unanimous we will now move on 01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:40.199 to the nominations for each of the 01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:42.319 committee and other bodies that need 01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:44.239 councelor appointments to be determined 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:45.680 by 01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:48.760 Council the first one is the companion 01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:50.000 animals 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.359 committee first we need to appoint two 01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:55.560 counselors as representatives to the 01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:57.479 Companion Animal advisory committee 01:10:57.560 --> 01:10:59.640 councilors we have one valid 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:01.039 nomination currently and that's 01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:03.199 councelor Campbell I just wanted to 01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:04.800 double check whether or not anyone else 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.640 would like to nominate for the companion 01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:09.399 animal advisory 01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:12.960 committee councelor 01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.439 sui councelor Campbell I'll just double 01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.119 check you're still happy to proceed with 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:18.039 your 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.920 nomination I more than happy to proceed 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:22.600 with that because we're right in the 01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:26.439 middle of delivering our beautiful owned 01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.159 Animal Facility with adjacent native 01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:31.119 plant nursery and I wouldn't miss that 01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:32.039 for the 01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.119 world thank you 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:37.600 councelor okay so with that I declare 01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:39.159 given there are no other nominations I 01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:40.920 declare councelor Campbell and councelor 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.319 Su as Representatives on the companion 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:44.640 animal advisory committee 01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:47.319 congratulations both of 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:50.840 you moving on to the events reference 01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:52.800 group we need to appoint up to two 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:55.399 counselors as Representatives we 01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:57.600 currently have three nominations 01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:59.640 councilors Campbell councelor Ramen and 01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:00.800 councelor 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.359 sui tonight given we have the three 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:05.680 nominations I would like to as 01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:08.119 mentioned previously I would like to 01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:10.279 suggest that we accept all three 01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:12.600 nominations and have all three appointed 01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:13.960 to that particular committee if 01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:15.640 everyone's happy to 01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.600 accept no complaints all right com 01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:21.960 congratulations councelor Campbell Ramen 01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:24.760 and sui for your appointment onto the 01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:27.600 events reference 01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:31.960 group next up we have the Canen access 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:35.239 reference group we need to appoint two 01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:37.439 counselors as representatives and we 01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:40.439 have three valid nominations councilors 01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:43.640 Ramen councelor Sakari and councelor sui 01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:45.119 firstly are there any other nominations 01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:46.239 from the 01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:49.079 floor no so with that I would like to 01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:51.800 put that all three counselors that 01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:54.279 have nominated be accepted onto the 01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:56.680 campon access reference group is 01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:58.479 everyone in favor of 01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:00.920 that wonderful congratulations to 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.439 councelor rahen Sakari and sui for your 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:05.319 appointment onto the Canon access 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:07.920 reference 01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:12.600 group moving on to the Multicultural 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:14.920 reference group previously known as 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.359 the cohesive communities reference 01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:21.640 group we are to appoint up to two 01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:23.840 counselors but we have three valid 01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:26.000 nominations counselor FID Deli councelor 01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:28.000 Ramen and councelor Suri are all three 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:32.039 of you willing to stay on as sorry to 01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:34.800 continue on with your 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:36.720 nominations well if there's no 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:38.720 objections I would like to proceed with 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:41.079 all three nominations being accepted and 01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:43.720 all three being approved onto the 01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:46.079 Multicultural reference group 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.239 congratulations Council fidelli Ramen 01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:50.520 and 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:56.199 Suri councilors the next we have is 01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:58.720 the bicentennial Bicentennial Equestrian 01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.560 Park reference group we need up to two 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:03.520 counselors we currently have one 01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:05.560 nomination councelor Campbell thank you 01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:07.279 for your nomination councelor Campbell 01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:08.800 are there any other nominations from the 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.079 floor councelor mlan thank you councilor 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:14.319 mlan are there any other nominations 01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:16.680 from the 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.560 floor all right well with that I 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:21.279 would like to congratulate and declare 01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:24.199 councelor Campbell and mlan as the 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:25.840 representatives on the 01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:29.479 bicentennial Equestrian Park reference 01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.000 group next up we have the Camden Town 01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:34.800 Farm reference group we can appoint up 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:37.960 to two counselors and we have no current 01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.439 nominations for the Campton Town Farm 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:41.600 reference group are there any 01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:43.399 nominations from the 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:45.960 floor councelor quinel are there any 01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:49.239 other nominations councelor 01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:54.279 McLean if there are no further 01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:57.000 nominations for the campon town Farm 01:14:57.079 --> 01:14:59.279 reference group I'd like to declare and 01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.159 congratulate both councel quel and 01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:03.520 councelor mlan as being the 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:05.479 representatives on the campon town Farm 01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:08.000 reference 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:13.760 group okay up next we've got the seniors 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:16.119 reference group again we can appoint 01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:17.680 after to two councilors as 01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:21.600 representatives and we have four current 01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:24.159 nominations similar to before I'd 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:27.159 like to request that we accept all 01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:30.000 four nominations for councelor fideli 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.279 councelor mlan councelor ramen and 01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:34.800 councelor sui unless anyone would like 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:36.600 to withdraw their 01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:38.680 nomination councilor fidelli yeah I've 01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:40.960 been on it before so I'll give the T new 01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:43.600 ones ago thank you councilor 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:46.720 fidelli are there any other nominations 01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:48.640 or 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:50.439 withdrawals with that i' would like to 01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.199 declare councelor mlan councelor Ramen 01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:55.039 and councelor Siri as the 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:57.359 Representatives on the seniors reference 01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:59.680 group 01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:04.239 congratulations up next we have the 01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:06.680 audit risk and Improvement 01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:08.920 committee we need to appoint one 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:11.680 counselor as a non-voting councel member 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:13.560 of the audit risk and Improvement 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:16.600 committee and we have one nominee as a 01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:19.880 non-voting council member councilor mlan 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:22.439 and no other nominations as alternate 01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:26.359 are there any further nominations 01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:29.399 no with that I declare councelor mlan 01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:31.199 if you're still accepting of your 01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:33.600 nomination as the representative on the 01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:35.560 audit risk and Improvement committee 01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:39.000 thank you oh yes given that 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:41.680 Council mlan and I were on that in the 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.439 latter part of the last Council do 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:47.159 you do I know he's filled his 01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:49.119 application in because he's got all the 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.159 qualifications do if I wanted if I 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:54.560 volunteered to be his alternate do I 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.000 need need to fill in an application I'll 01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:58.880 confirm that with the general manager 01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:00.319 Mr general 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:02.960 manager yes counselor that would be 01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:05.880 very helpful like this one yes counselor 01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:08.920 oh okay well I'll have a go at filling 01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:11.159 it 01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:24.840 in Council c yeah did yeah 01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:26.880 councelor Campbell just for those who 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:28.119 couldn't hear what was happening behind 01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:30.680 the scenes there without the mics 01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:33.439 councelor Campbell will be filling out 01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:37.319 the required forms and is happy to go 01:17:37.399 --> 01:17:40.960 as alternate delegate on the audit 01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:43.640 risk and Improvement committee 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:46.800 subject to council McLean's 01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:50.560 absence correct 01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:55.760 yeah with that if there are no no 01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:57.039 further 01:17:57.119 --> 01:17:59.560 nominations congratulations I declare 01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:02.439 Council mlan and councelor Campbell 01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:04.399 as non- voting council members of the 01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:08.319 audit risk and Improvement 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:17.079 committee okay next up we have the 01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:19.680 local traffic committee we need to 01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.319 appoint one councelor representative as 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:24.760 the primary voting member and we have 01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:27.000 two current nominations for primary 01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:31.039 voting member councilors Ramen and 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:35.039 councelor sui and we have one nomination 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.439 for alternate member councelor mlan are 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:40.479 there any further nominations or are 01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:42.239 there is there anyone that wishes to 01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.159 withdraw the nomination given we are 01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:47.479 only seeking one councelor 01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:49.840 representative and we have two 01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:52.840 nominations for primary voting 01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:56.479 members Council mlan I I'm happy to be 01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:59.159 be taken off the alternative if that 01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:02.680 makes it easier thank you counselor 01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:04.479 I'd like to put to councelor Ramen and 01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:06.560 councelor sui would one of you be 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.600 willing to go as alternate delegate 01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:13.439 rather than primary voting member yes 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:15.760 madame may I will go for alternate then 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:17.680 thank you councelor Ramen councelor 01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:19.119 Su I'll just confirm whether or not 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:22.479 you're happy to accept the primary 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:24.840 primary voting member status of that 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:26.119 particular 01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:29.000 committee accepted thank you okay so 01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:31.800 with that I declare councelor Siri as 01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:34.199 the primary voting member and councelor 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:37.520 ramen as the alternate member of the 01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:39.479 local traffic committee thank you so 01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:41.800 much for your 01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:44.239 for everyone's work then that was 01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:47.359 really good 01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:49.600 teamwork okay up next we have general 01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:51.800 manager performance review panel we need 01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:53.720 to appoint one counselor as a 01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:55.680 representative on the general manager's 01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:58.279 performance revieww panel we currently 01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:00.520 have two nominations for councelors 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.319 Ferrari and councelor Suri I'd just like 01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:04.600 to ask whether or not there are any 01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:06.800 other nominations from the floor before 01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:08.359 we 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:10.920 proceed are there any withdrawals from 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:12.520 that particular committee any 01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:14.960 withdrawals of 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:17.000 nominations okay well with that we'll 01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:21.479 need to proceed to a vote because we 01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:24.840 do only require one nomination 01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:26.760 so what I'll do is I'll call for a show 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:29.159 of hands I'll first ask for those that 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:31.479 wish to have councelor Ferrari as the 01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:33.520 Council of Representative for the 01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:35.560 general manager performance review panel 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:38.720 to please raise your hand and oh yep I 01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:40.479 was just going to explain the okay yep 01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:41.359 let's do 01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:45.760 it okay so for councelor Ferrari we have 01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:47.479 councelor Ramen councelor quinel 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:50.000 councelor Ferrari councel Sakari 01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:52.079 councelor fideli and councelor Ashley 01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:54.760 Kagney for th those that wish to vote 01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:58.079 for councelor sui please raise your hand 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:00.079 councelor sui and councelor 01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:03.000 mlan and councelor Campbell so with that 01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:04.880 I declare that councelor Ferrari is the 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:06.640 council representative on the general 01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:10.399 manager performance review panel 01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:12.399 congratulations we'll move on now to 01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:15.960 the Mau Gallery limited we need to 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:18.920 appoint counselors as directors of the 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:22.479 MAA G Gallery limmited and I'll note 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:24.720 that although three direct Council 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:27.359 directors are requested more than three 01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:29.239 can be appointed under the comp 01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:32.000 company's Constitution and we currently 01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.600 have four nominations myself 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:36.479 councelor Kagney councelor Campbell 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:39.439 councelor mlan and councelor Suri I'll 01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:40.640 ask whether or not there are any 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:43.239 nominations from the 01:21:43.319 --> 01:21:45.840 floor before I suggest that we accept 01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:48.279 all four nominations are there any 01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:49.760 objections to 01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:52.359 that no well I'll declare councelor 01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:55.720 Kagney Campbell mlan and Siri as the 01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:58.680 councelor directors of marari gall 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.159 Gallery 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:12.079 limited oh well done councilors we got 01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:14.399 through it that was very efficient thank 01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.640 you all right moving on to item 13 draft 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:19.760 submission councel conduct framework 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:22.880 review the recommendation is on page 887 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.520 do I have a mover and second please 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.920 moved councilor fidelli 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.119 seconded councilor quinel councilor 01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:32.039 fidelli thank you Madame May quite happy 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:34.039 to accept the 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:36.039 recommendation thank you councelor are 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:38.039 there any speakers for the 01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:40.399 recommendation against the 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:42.560 recommendation are there any 01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:44.279 questions with that I put the 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:47.239 recommendation forward all those in 01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:50.640 favor unanimous thank 01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:54.680 you on to item 14 Place naming proposal 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:57.279 new suburb Barker the recommendation is 01:22:57.359 --> 01:22:59.760 on page 89 do I have a mover and 01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:02.479 seconder please moveed to council Ramen 01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:06.119 second and councelor for Deli councelor 01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:08.479 Ramen Madame mayor proceed with that 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:10.479 please thank you councelor are there any 01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:12.000 speakers for the 01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.520 recommendation Council 01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:17.279 Campbell I'll just be delighted I 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:18.680 don't know whether everyone else has 01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:23.039 been pounded by people saying that we 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:25.840 can't call it Maryland because of 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:29.159 marylands Barker is a long way from 01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:32.039 Maryland or marylands so I'll be 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.680 delighted with 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.319 Barker great point Thank You counselor 01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:38.920 are 01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:42.159 there are there any speakers for the 01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:43.920 recommendation against the 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:47.239 recommendation councelor 01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:49.680 quinel I thank you Madame mayor yeah 01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:51.359 i' like to speak against the motion and 01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:54.920 endorsement of Barker as a suburb name 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:56.800 a signal offense to the Barker family or 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.439 Maryland States but Thomas Barker did 01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:02.560 die 175 years ago we already have 01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:05.039 nerous suburbs and landmarks in Camden 01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:07.479 named after Colonial land owners who 01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:09.439 served in the news of Wales legislative 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:12.199 Council in 2024 it would be nice to see 01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:14.720 a 20th century or even 21st century 01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.319 person honored with a suburb name 01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:18.439 particularly reflective of our 01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:21.520 non-british European background or our 01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:23.880 ancient IND indigenous Heritage and 01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:26.640 maybe named after a woman I think 01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:28.800 further options should be explored and 01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:30.560 for this to come back to council thank 01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:31.520 you very 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:34.399 much thank you councelor Corell are 01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:37.199 there any speakers for the 01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:40.159 recommendation against the 01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:42.319 recommendation councelor Ramen I'll 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.000 offer you a right of reply if you'd 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:49.359 like I will support councelor 01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:53.520 kunel okay so the reason is yes I 01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:57.000 didn't know about this explor option 01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:02.319 if we do have one if we can defer it 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:06.760 please sorry are you seeking a 01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:12.439 deferral just to confirm firstly 01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:13.720 councelor Cornell can I get to switch 01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:15.479 your mic 01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.199 off councelor Ramen can I confirm 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.039 whether or not you'd like to move an 01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:22.039 amendment that we defer this matter 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:25.199 subject to a a a the council a briefing 01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:28.119 on this yes please okay do we have a 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:30.560 second for the now amended motion which 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:33.720 is that we defer this matter to a 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:36.319 councelor 01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:40.000 briefing councelor 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:42.760 mlan okay so we're now debating an 01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:45.640 amended motion that we defer this matter 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:48.880 need aoun 01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:02.319 good point councelor Ramen 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:04.560 procedurally what we might ask you to do 01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:06.039 if you are no longer supporting the 01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:08.840 original motion is that you withdraw 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:12.560 your moving of the original motion 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:15.680 and that you now seek to move an 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:18.600 amended recommendation on its own 01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:20.079 because moving a an amended 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:22.239 recommendation once you've already moved 01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:25.039 a the original recommendation is 01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:27.319 problematic so are you happy to proceed 01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:30.319 with that yes okay wonderful okay so we 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:34.880 are now debating a amended motion that 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:38.359 we defer this matter subject to a 01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:41.760 councelor briefing to explore other 01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:43.560 options we we're going to need to firm 01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:46.119 up a recommendation here so are you 01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:48.640 happy with that councilor quell and and 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:50.520 Council mlan sorry as seconda are you 01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:53.159 happy with 01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.239 that that the motion is the amended 01:26:56.319 --> 01:27:01.359 motion is to refer it to a council 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:03.760 briefing so I'll just get that one typed 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:06.880 up so the Council of ramen you'll 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.119 need as the Mover of the amended motion 01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:10.960 you'll need to confirm that you're happy 01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:12.960 with the wording of this and that 01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:14.760 councelor mlan is also happy with the 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:15.960 wording as the 01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:18.439 secondar so that we defer the this 01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:20.760 matter subject to a further counselor 01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:24.680 briefing to explore 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:28.800 further name 01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:31.920 options happy to proceed with Madame 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.359 May I'll just wait for that to get typed 01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:36.279 up so everyone's following 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:40.840 along oh yep there we go all right so 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:43.319 with that I'll ask for a speaker if 01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:47.199 there are any speakers for the amended 01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:50.560 recommendation are there any speakers 01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:53.199 against are there any questions four yep 01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:55.000 councelor mlan 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.439 the reason for the support of the 01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:02.880 amended motion I guess is that I 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:07.199 have seen I guess a nber of naming 01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:10.720 items in this LGA and I know the the 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:12.880 same issue came up with the the streets 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.840 naming as well and this this kind of 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.359 relates to that as well I I guess I I 01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:21.560 would like to 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:24.760 see that there's 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:27.520 additional processes and Community 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:31.000 engagement put in place and that we 01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:33.359 actually get to a point where 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:35.800 communities coming to us they don't 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:38.359 actually know that they can do that 01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:40.640 but they can actually put forward 01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:44.159 submissions and and options to 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:47.840 name suburbs and streets and to have a 01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:50.039 have better communication and awareness 01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:51.960 I guess around that or maybe we need a 01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:54.479 policy I don't know but I I do look 01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:56.199 forward to discussing that at a 01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:58.840 councelor briefing thank you councelor 01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:00.640 are there any other speakers for the 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:04.399 amended recommendation councelor 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:06.640 Campbell this is an interesting 01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:10.000 development and I'm quite happy to to 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:13.640 go along with it there are three points 01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:16.000 that I think it would be good to 01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:18.079 realize at this stage 01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:21.319 though one is the geographical names 01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:23.640 board are the people who have control 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:25.359 over what gets 01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:29.680 named two they prefer the person to 01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:30.600 be 01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:33.840 dead because if you're dead we know what 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:35.640 you've done in your life and you can't 01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:38.159 disgrace us later by naming something 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:40.920 after you or in some instances earlier 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:43.359 putting up a statue to you although the 01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:45.239 statues aren't a real problem all they 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:48.399 need historically is a sign that says 01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:50.319 what it was that the person did that we 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:52.560 wouldn't accept in this day and age but 01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:54.880 we we seem to you you know not favor 01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:58.680 pigeons on statues and the other 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:01.960 point that I would make is that if 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.960 you want to create something that has 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:08.800 genuine significance as far as a name is 01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:11.840 concerned and it was the bad himself who 01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:13.800 asked what was in a name and the answer 01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:16.920 was everything and potentially nothing 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:20.920 that it actually needs to be someone who 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:23.239 has a connection with that particular 01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:25.000 piece of land 01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:27.199 so a dead person with a connection to 01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:29.600 the land and I think we'll be pushing it 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:32.239 to get one from the 21st century but I 01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:35.640 could be I could be wrong yeah so 01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:37.479 it'll be an interesting discussion as a 01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:40.279 historian look forward to that thank you 01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:42.079 counselor are there any other speakers 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:44.119 for the amended 01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:46.760 recommendation against the recommend the 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:48.039 amended 01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:50.720 recommendation do we have any 01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:53.119 questions with that I put the amended 01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:56.960 recommendation forward all those in 01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:01.680 favor councilors Campbell mlan Ramen 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:05.680 quel Sakari Suri fideli and councelor 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:11.720 Kagney those against councelor Ferrari 01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:16.560 the the motion is carried sorry 01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:19.239 councilor Siri my phone decided to turn 01:31:19.319 --> 01:31:22.840 on Siri halfway through 01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:26.960 that apologies if anyone heard that item 01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:30.279 15 investment monies July August and 01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:33.319 September 2024 the recommendation is on 01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:36.239 page 91 do I have a mover and seconder 01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:40.560 please moved councelor mlan seconded 01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:43.680 councelor quinel councelor 01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:46.439 mlan thanks Madame May happy to happy 01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:49.439 to move the motion and we support the 01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:53.319 motion sorry and the and and just make 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:56.680 the note that we are above those 01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:00.680 osbond index aent the benchmarks 01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:03.479 which is positive to see so we look 01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:05.560 forward to hopefully that continuing 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:08.159 we we might exceed the budget 01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:10.680 this financial year on that thank you 01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:12.039 thank you councelor are there any 01:32:12.119 --> 01:32:13.760 speakers for the 01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:15.520 recommendation against the 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:18.000 recommendation do we have any 01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:19.720 questions with that I put the 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:22.159 recommendation forward all those in 01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:25.600 favor unanimous thank 01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:30.159 you on to item 16 minutes to the 19 June 01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:34.359 2024 and 19 August 2024 audit risk and 01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:35.840 Improvement committee meetings the 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:38.920 recommendation is on page 93 do I have a 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:40.359 mve and second of please mve to 01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:42.039 councelor fidelli seconded councelor 01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:43.960 quinel councelor fidelli yeah thank you 01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:45.399 Madame are quite happy to support the 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:47.199 recommendation thank you councelor are 01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:48.760 there any speakers for the 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:50.520 recommendation against the 01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:53.439 recommendation do we have any questions 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:54.760 with that I put the recommendation 01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:56.359 forward all those in 01:32:56.439 --> 01:32:59.520 favor 01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:03.680 unanimous counselor Siri yep unanimous 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:05.439 thank 01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:10.039 you okay on to item 17 notice of motion 01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:13.039 public address the recommendation is on 01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:15.840 page 95 counselor mlan I prese are 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:18.640 happy to move that do you have a 01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:21.960 seconder seconded counselor Campbell 01:33:22.039 --> 01:33:24.359 councelor mlan 01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:26.359 thanks Madame mayor and it was 01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:29.640 good to touch on this briefly in our 01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:32.960 briefing and government training 01:33:33.039 --> 01:33:36.279 last night the the motion that I have 01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.439 put forward really is a very very 01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:42.479 very simple one and I I won't I won't 01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:43.800 read it out in full because everyone has 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.199 it in front of them but essentially it 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:49.000 is a a very very minor Amendment to the 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:52.039 current code of meeting practice 01:33:52.119 --> 01:33:53.920 under Section 4.1 and that is 01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.760 essentially to allow not just members 01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:00.960 of the public to talk on agenda items 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:03.439 listed agenda items at the Council of 01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:06.760 which we heard two tonight but also 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:09.720 on other items not not any item but 01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:11.520 other items that only relate to the 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.159 operations and and responsibility 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:20.600 operations of of of council so the 01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:23.880 the very very minor Amendment wouldn't 01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:25.640 mean that we get heaps of people 01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:29.479 talking on unrelated subjects it 01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:33.119 would probably mean we see I'm guessing 01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:36.159 maybe half a dozen people a year and I 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:40.159 believe that that is I guess a very very 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:44.279 small opportunity afforded to the 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:47.439 residents of of Camden Council to speak 01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:50.880 on other important items they can of 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:52.760 course email they can phone they can get 01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:56.000 in touch with lots of other online 01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:58.119 activities and engagements that 01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:00.520 Council does which is fantastic but 01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:03.920 this is just another minor one which I 01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:07.119 think would cost us five or six 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:09.600 minutes potentially at an additional 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:11.159 meeting and a couple of times throughout 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:14.000 the year certainly if I'm proven 01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:16.039 wrong on that if it was successfully 01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:18.439 adopted and I'm wrong I'm I'm I'm happy 01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:20.520 for it to be rescinded and I'd probably 01:35:20.600 --> 01:35:22.640 actually support it myself but I really 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:24.199 don't think that that would be the case 01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:27.199 I really think it would be a matter 01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:30.960 of just a few public additional 01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:33.439 public addresses per year of which we 01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:36.760 receive very very few at the moment and 01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:39.119 I would certainly like to see that 01:35:39.199 --> 01:35:40.079 that 01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:43.319 increase one of the other points I 01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:46.079 note as well in 01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:47.960 the 01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:49.600 01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:51.920 Communications and Community engagement 01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:55.119 strategy which we've just adopted 01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:59.319 is a what our approach is and one of the 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:01.119 points that says in our approach in in 01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:03.600 section four is we are committed to 01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:05.760 giving all members of the community a 01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:09.279 voice so I think that this motion really 01:36:09.359 --> 01:36:13.000 strongly speaks to that that that 01:36:13.079 --> 01:36:14.720 point but it speaks to a whole L of 01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:16.039 others in there as well I won't go 01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:18.399 through them we've looked at it and 01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:20.439 so really really help support that in a 01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:24.880 small way I think the the the 01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:27.039 alternative is well the alter one of the 01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:28.479 Alternatives is we don't adopt it but 01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:29.800 one of the other Alternatives which has 01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:31.159 been mentioned as well is looking at 01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:33.720 Community fors which other councils 01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:37.079 do and I don't think that that's 01:36:37.159 --> 01:36:39.079 although I'd be very supportive for that 01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:42.520 I think that it's extremely 01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:44.600 burdensome on additional time and 01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:46.520 additional meetings whether we attach 01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:49.000 them to briefings separate meetings 01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:52.039 whatever it might be they can add you 01:36:52.119 --> 01:36:54.039 know one or two more hours each and 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:57.079 every month and that is a significant 01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.600 extra burden on all of the time 01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:02.199 that everyone already puts in and 01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:04.840 including staff time as well so I'm I'm 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:06.960 less in favor of that and and Far More 01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:09.359 in favor of this very very small 01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:12.600 Amendment which allows people to 01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:15.760 to speak on on all items in relation to 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:17.600 council business the the other 01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:19.560 alternative of course which is currently 01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:23.079 afforded to community is we can raise a 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:24.119 mo 01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:26.399 ourselves put in Emotion ourselves and 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:29.239 know emotion sorry and then that gives 01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:31.640 them the opportunity to but that takes 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:35.520 time and is I guess less efficient and 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:38.800 enables the community to I guess voice 01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:41.760 their their praise their concerns 01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:45.279 their opinions quickly and the the the 01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:48.359 most timely example of this was of 01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:51.600 course last month we all received dozens 01:37:51.680 --> 01:37:54.119 of emails I'm pretty sure from 01:37:54.199 --> 01:37:55.840 concerned members of the Catherine 01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:58.399 fields and and wider Community around 01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:00.640 the development proposal they wanted to 01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:03.560 talk at the 15th of October meeting and 01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:05.560 they weren't allowed to under the 01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:08.760 current code of meeting practice if that 01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:10.520 was to happen again and it's not going 01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:13.439 to happen similarly with the timing but 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:15.880 we would it may happen another 01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:17.840 similar issue in I don't know 12 month's 01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:20.439 time but they'd be able to speak and 01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:22.760 raise their concerns of that matter we'd 01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:24.399 be able to invest igate it far more 01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:27.159 thoroughly again as counselors and and 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:30.399 hear them probably one or two of them at 01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:32.039 last meeting and then another one or two 01:38:32.119 --> 01:38:35.520 tonight and and I think that would be 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:38.239 a fantastic opportunity so for those 01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:39.960 reasons and a nber of others I've 01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:44.039 mentioned in there I put this small 01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:47.239 Amendment forward as the motion 01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:49.560 thank you thank you councelor McLean are 01:38:49.640 --> 01:38:50.800 there any speakers for the 01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:53.479 recommendation 01:38:53.560 --> 01:38:55.359 against the 01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:58.479 recommendation councilor 01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:01.399 ferari thank you Madame mayor 01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:03.640 while on the surface I I do see some 01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:05.960 Merit in this motion I am however a 01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:07.439 little concerned it may have some 01:39:07.520 --> 01:39:09.840 unintended consequences but I think 01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:12.079 that's all a little bit of a moot point 01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:14.079 because regardless of the outcome 01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:16.840 here tonight we're essentially double 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:21.079 dipping as as it's my understanding 01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:24.520 that there will be a code of 01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:28.039 meeting practice review undertaken by 01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:31.840 Council following the conduct framework 01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:35.319 review early next year so I think 01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:37.479 with that in mind I think councelor 01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:39.920 mlan or indeed any other councel would 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:42.880 be better served putting forward any 01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:45.920 recommendations at that review at that 01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:48.399 time thank you councelor Ferrari are 01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:49.920 there any other speakers for the 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.279 recommendation councelor Campbell 01:39:54.359 --> 01:39:58.800 I'm always in favor of doing things 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:01.000 at a point of need and at the point when 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:03.680 you recognize there's something 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:04.880 that's 01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:08.520 required and I think the recent sub 01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:10.600 nber of submissions that we've had on 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:13.640 the college in North Ward and the nber 01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:15.640 of people who 01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:19.039 were not un quite understanding how to 01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:22.000 go about putting their opinions forward 01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:26.439 and the nber of people who asked me 01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:29.279 point blank to ensure that they could 01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:31.439 come and speak to the council meeting 01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:34.439 which preceded this and I could only 01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:36.520 answer well no you can't because it's 01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:38.840 not on the agenda it won't be on the 01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:42.439 agenda until tonight and I know that was 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:45.439 the facts of the situation but it it 01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:49.920 caused extra angst and anxiety and 01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:52.680 frustration unnecessarily I think to 01:40:52.760 --> 01:40:55.199 those people because had they been 01:40:55.279 --> 01:40:57.399 able to come and speak about the issue 01:40:57.479 --> 01:40:59.159 which was concerning them they could 01:40:59.239 --> 01:41:01.560 have come at the point that they really 01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:03.720 wanted to come and say something to the 01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:07.199 nine of us now I have the privilege of 01:41:07.279 --> 01:41:09.680 having been here when that policy was 01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:12.159 introduced in 01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:15.119 1996 it was researched by wonderful 01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:17.279 counselor councelor be batros it was 01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:20.199 supported by myself and councelor Sylvia 01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:22.319 FEA so we covered all three Wards 01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:23.920 magnificently 01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:27.279 at the time the very issues which I 01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:30.520 heard raised last night in the briefing 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:33.960 that we had on it were vocalized then 01:41:34.039 --> 01:41:37.239 too because the notion that you know all 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:38.680 sorts of hell would break loose and 01:41:38.760 --> 01:41:40.279 people would be insulted and out of 01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:43.520 order Etc never ever eventuated in all 01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:46.880 the years probably 10 years or more 01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:49.479 after that there was only ever one 01:41:49.560 --> 01:41:51.640 person who came in to speak about 01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:54.560 something that wasn't on the agenda of 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:56.399 the council meeting and a very 01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:58.760 interesting man that turned out to be 01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:02.079 too and with the councilors all leared a 01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:04.439 lot from that person having come in 01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:08.159 and it actually changed Council policy 01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:11.560 so the meeting the meeting is controlled 01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:14.319 by Madame mayor so anyone who comes in 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:16.359 to abuse the privilege or to talk about 01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:18.760 something which isn't Council related is 01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:21.079 simply told that they can't do it by the 01:42:21.159 --> 01:42:22.479 mayor and that's the end of that so 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:23.920 we've got AB absolutely nothing to fear 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.760 from this nothing is changing Beyond 01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:29.720 allowing people have a have having 01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:34.000 access to nine of us for four or six 01:42:34.079 --> 01:42:35.760 minutes depending on whether we move an 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:37.920 extension for a minute or two minutes I 01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:39.439 thought it was two but we did a minute 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:41.680 tonight which seemed to suit the 01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:44.520 speaker I I really think that there's no 01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:48.680 reason to not move this now as I said 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:50.720 that that incident well the people who 01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:52.560 wanted to speak about the school showed 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:53.720 the need 01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:56.960 was still there I don't know why it 01:42:57.039 --> 01:42:59.199 was abolished by the the majority of 01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:03.000 councelors sometime 10 12 years after 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:04.520 the whole thing was introduced and 01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:07.119 working well in the first place so while 01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:11.199 I hear what Council of council is 01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:13.720 saying about not getting ahead of 01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:15.359 ourselves I don't think we want to be 01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:17.680 behind either so I see no reason why it 01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:19.520 shouldn't just come in and then when we 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:21.359 do our review it will be part of that 01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:24.119 review we might even decide to change it 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:26.159 when we do the review but I doubt it 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:30.479 because it worked brilliantly for over a 01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:32.800 decade thank you councelor Campbell are 01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:34.000 there any speakers against 01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:35.960 recommendation councelor 01:43:36.039 --> 01:43:38.399 sui I want to speak in support okay well 01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:40.079 I'll ask first speakers against the 01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:42.479 recommendation first I'll speak 01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:44.239 against the recommendation tonight 01:43:44.319 --> 01:43:47.159 similar to councilor Ferrari I think 01:43:47.239 --> 01:43:49.720 that this is probably not an ideal time 01:43:49.800 --> 01:43:51.560 to be bringing up a notice of motion of 01:43:51.640 --> 01:43:53.319 this nature I completely appr appreciate 01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:55.279 the point that you're trying to achieve 01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:57.840 here however I think that 01:43:57.920 --> 01:43:59.720 particularly given this is the first 01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:02.319 full council meeting that new counselors 01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:06.720 have had an opportunity to to be at I 01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:08.399 don't think that this would be an 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.319 appropriate time to make a 01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:13.880 decision this early on in the peace 01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:16.560 without a it's almost a peacemeal 01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:19.039 approach to the the review that we will 01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:21.079 be conducting as councilor Ferrari has 01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:24.880 noted early next year so whilst I 01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:26.720 appreciate what you're trying to achieve 01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:28.319 with this I don't think that this is the 01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:30.720 appropriate time to be considering a 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:32.560 adjustment to the code of meeting 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:35.960 practice I believe that the ideal time 01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:38.319 would be later on when we were 01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.039 reviewing our code of meeting practice 01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:44.520 anyway and then newer counselors have 01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:46.880 an opportunity then to have a couple of 01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:48.600 meetings under their belt and get a real 01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:52.479 sense of what they think we could do 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.279 to improve or change how we are 01:44:55.359 --> 01:44:57.439 currently operating our 01:44:57.520 --> 01:45:00.640 meetings and I think as well this is 01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:02.399 perhaps pigeon H holding us in a 01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:05.920 particular way where there may be 01:45:06.000 --> 01:45:09.720 another model to achieve the same point 01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:11.039 as you've mentioned this is your 01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:13.439 preferred model your preferred approach 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:15.399 but there may be another model that 01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:18.000 suits the rest of the council body and 01:45:18.079 --> 01:45:19.640 we won't know that until we can discuss 01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:22.880 it as a whole so again once I 01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:23.960 appreciate what you're trying to achieve 01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:25.640 with this notice of motion I don't think 01:45:25.720 --> 01:45:27.479 that the timing of this is ideal I think 01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:29.880 we should wait until a full review of 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:31.640 the Cod of meeting practices conducted 01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:34.359 by Council so I'll Now call for 01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:38.039 speakers for the recommendation Council 01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:40.840 Siri yes thank you Madame May yes I 01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:43.439 support the motion and I'm in favor 01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:45.760 to allow the community to speak publicly 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:47.840 on any item especially with regard to 01:45:47.920 --> 01:45:50.880 the last month's council meeting when we 01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:53.119 received a nber of emails from the 01:45:53.199 --> 01:45:55.640 residents of Catherine field when they 01:45:55.720 --> 01:45:58.239 wanted to speak in the council meeting 01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:02.880 so in that context I I agree that you 01:46:02.960 --> 01:46:06.199 know it's it would be a good idea so 01:46:06.279 --> 01:46:08.439 creating a community engagement is vital 01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:11.039 for me to give Community a voice so I 01:46:11.119 --> 01:46:12.960 support the 01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:15.640 motion thank you counselor are there any 01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:17.680 speakers against the 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:20.000 recommendation councilor 01:46:20.079 --> 01:46:24.760 fidelli I also say why trying to 01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:26.520 put through here councelor mclan but I 01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:30.920 won't be supporting it you said that 01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:32.760 they may want to come here and discuss 01:46:32.840 --> 01:46:35.399 important matters if something is really 01:46:35.479 --> 01:46:38.079 important we've moved forward in the 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:40.399 ages with technology if you had an 01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:43.479 important matter today you would email 01:46:43.560 --> 01:46:46.159 today and not wait for Tuesday night's 01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:50.399 meeting so we have moved forward 01:46:50.479 --> 01:46:53.840 in regards to the College last month 01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:56.239 again the same thing we only had two 01:46:56.319 --> 01:47:01.039 speakers tonight and everything they had 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:04.279 spoken about tonight was thorough more 01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:07.119 thorough in their emails their phone 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:10.800 calls I kind of feel like we're moving 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:13.279 backwards and I think the same people 01:47:13.359 --> 01:47:16.640 will be showing up it'll be the same 01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:19.600 issues rest my case if it's important 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:21.119 you should be getting in contact with 01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:23.319 the council straight away or your 01:47:23.399 --> 01:47:25.560 councelors thank you councelor fideli 01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:28.880 are there any speakers for the 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:31.720 recommendation against the 01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:33.640 recommendation your right of reply 01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:36.079 councelor 01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:40.359 McLean thanks Madame May 01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:44.880 the I'm surprised by the level 01:47:44.960 --> 01:47:49.079 of concern and 01:47:49.159 --> 01:47:53.479 yeah reserved concern and 01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:56.039 that it's going to be such a a 01:47:56.119 --> 01:47:58.479 problem I I I only think the more we 01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.960 listen to community the more we can 01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:05.640 grow and develop as a council and and I 01:48:05.720 --> 01:48:07.600 think it's 01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:11.680 it's just it's it's not a fact of I mean 01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:13.399 one of the things I could list is how 01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:15.119 many other councils do it and what 01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:17.000 councils do in terms of community 01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:20.399 engagement it's it's not about that 01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:22.159 because we should be doing it anyway we 01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:23.640 shouldn't be comparing ourselves to 01:48:23.720 --> 01:48:27.319 other engagement models that 01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:29.239 neighboring and councils around the 01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:33.199 country do and how many councils have 01:48:33.279 --> 01:48:35.399 have this in their code of meaning 01:48:35.479 --> 01:48:38.680 practice it's not about that it's really 01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:41.359 about showing the community that we care 01:48:41.439 --> 01:48:45.039 and that we listen and them having 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:47.960 the opportunity to speak 01:48:48.039 --> 01:48:51.159 and and complying essentially with the 01:48:51.239 --> 01:48:53.359 the strategy that we have have 01:48:53.439 --> 01:48:56.000 just adopted the community the 01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:57.680 communication sorry and Community 01:48:57.760 --> 01:49:00.279 engagement strategy so I don't think 01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:02.279 there's anything to be concerned about 01:49:02.359 --> 01:49:06.479 there's nothing to fear and and in fact 01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:10.239 we could adopt it tonight and when I'm 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:11.680 proven wrong next meeting and the 01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:14.479 following meeting we can just knock 01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:17.960 it out of the the the plan when we 01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:19.399 review it next time Cod of meeting 01:49:19.479 --> 01:49:21.720 practice sorry when we review it 01:49:21.800 --> 01:49:24.199 early next year so so I I was going 01:49:24.279 --> 01:49:27.439 to put forward to if if people were 01:49:27.520 --> 01:49:30.159 interested to do a six 6 or 12 month but 01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:32.239 you know we could put a much shorter 01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:36.800 timeline on it if if you wished it 01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:40.560 doesn't seem like there's there seems 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:43.159 to be too much fear and trepidation that 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:45.079 we have members of the community 01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:49.319 speaking to us and that's you know 01:49:49.399 --> 01:49:50.079 5 01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:53.159 minutes too much spent on that 01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:55.399 where I I believe that the community 01:49:55.479 --> 01:49:57.800 run Council and the community owns 01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:00.960 Council and the communities in charge 01:50:01.039 --> 01:50:03.439 and I'll continue to advocate for 01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:05.319 that as well thank 01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:07.880 you with that I put the recommendation 01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:10.840 forward all those in favor councelor 01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:13.119 Campbell councelor mlan councelor Siri 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:15.439 all those against councelor Ramen 01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:17.279 councelor quenel councelor Ferrari 01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:19.159 councelor Sakari councelor fidelli and 01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:23.000 councelor Kagney the motion is lost 01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:25.680 on to item 18 notice of motion 01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:28.199 maintenance of state roads in Camden the 01:50:28.279 --> 01:50:30.359 recommendation is on page 01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:33.600 96 councelor Campbell as your motion 01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:35.199 you're happy to move that do we have a 01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:36.560 second 01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:38.960 please second councelor 01:50:39.039 --> 01:50:42.199 Corel councelor Campbell would you 01:50:42.279 --> 01:50:44.239 like to speak to a motion thank you 01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:47.119 Madame mayor just prior to the election 01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:51.039 I had a local resident contact me and 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:53.399 we had a misunderstanding to start with 01:50:53.479 --> 01:50:56.199 because he was talking I thought about 01:50:56.279 --> 01:51:01.720 rubbish litter along roads in Camden 01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:03.359 particularly the roads that he was 01:51:03.439 --> 01:51:05.600 mentioning I very patiently explained 01:51:05.680 --> 01:51:08.520 were in fact state roads at which point 01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:10.159 he more or less expressed the opinion 01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:12.079 that he thought i' I was useless like 01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:14.000 everybody else that he'd spoken to which 01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:17.359 I did take exception to at the time and 01:51:17.439 --> 01:51:20.279 I told him that if I was reelected to 01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:22.560 councel I would bring find out more 01:51:22.640 --> 01:51:23.720 about this and bring his matter to 01:51:23.800 --> 01:51:26.119 council and this is it apparently we 01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:29.520 have a 4x4 year contract for the 01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:31.720 sweeping of state roads and gutter 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:34.399 systems in Camden local government area 01:51:34.479 --> 01:51:36.560 and this contract has been let out by 01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:40.239 the roads and Maritime Services group 01:51:40.319 --> 01:51:42.920 this local resident had prior 01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:46.399 employment experience Contracting to the 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:50.159 RMS and to the federal government on 01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:53.640 working on the M7 and he had a lot of 01:51:53.720 --> 01:51:55.720 knowledge when I met and talked to him 01:51:55.800 --> 01:51:57.560 he raised questions about the standard 01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:00.159 of Maintenance of our state roads in 01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:02.680 relation to either the contract 01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:05.520 Provisions or the supervision of The 01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:08.279 Works being undertaken the roads in 01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:11.159 question onelan Road Camden bypass the 01:52:11.239 --> 01:52:13.239 MacArthur Bridge the Northern Road and 01:52:13.319 --> 01:52:17.119 Camden Valley way now what's involved a 01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:20.319 mechanical sweeper picks up rubbish like 01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:22.000 paper and cans which is what I was 01:52:22.079 --> 01:52:24.199 thinking of of it first but it also 01:52:24.279 --> 01:52:27.359 picks up Road Grime and Rubble otherwise 01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:30.399 known as gravel and that includes break 01:52:30.479 --> 01:52:33.319 dust which is on the roadway from 01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:35.560 people applying their foot to their 01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:40.680 breake and for example that con is a 01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:43.319 contaminant right it's material which 01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:46.239 needs to be properly disposed of and I 01:52:46.319 --> 01:52:48.479 believe there's a specialist facility at 01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:52.560 Rose Hill for that now calls to the 01:52:52.640 --> 01:52:55.159 contractor by that gentleman resident 01:52:55.239 --> 01:52:56.680 established there have been other 01:52:56.760 --> 01:52:59.279 complaints and that sweeping would occur 01:52:59.359 --> 01:53:02.119 within the next three months fast 01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:04.199 forward five and a bit months and 01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:07.560 nothing has been done about the sweeping 01:53:07.640 --> 01:53:10.159 however three drain grates along the 01:53:10.239 --> 01:53:13.000 Rein Road were cleared by actually using 01:53:13.079 --> 01:53:15.920 a shovel and shoveling out the material 01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:17.840 that was blocking the drain onto the 01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:19.960 road Verge and remember I said this is 01:53:20.039 --> 01:53:22.880 contaminated material material on the 01:53:22.960 --> 01:53:26.720 trop top of drain gr drain grates is 01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:29.760 blocking the gutter and damaging 01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:32.319 infrastructure one night's sweep of the 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:36.239 Camden bypass likely yielded about 15 01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:39.359 Tons of material and it was suggested to 01:53:39.439 --> 01:53:41.479 me that the state that the road is in 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:44.439 now that could yield about 50 tons or 01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:47.920 more the exit ramps are not being swept 01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:50.600 at all for example the te intersection 01:53:50.680 --> 01:53:52.760 on the to the nuran road appears to be 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:54.640 deemed too difficult because you'd 01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:58.000 actually have to go onto the Newan Road 01:53:58.079 --> 01:54:00.000 and then come back to sweep this but 01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:01.880 there are other ones that you can access 01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:04.640 which are not being swept as well there 01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:08.039 are rocks as well as gravel on the cycle 01:54:08.119 --> 01:54:10.840 way which constitutes a hazard because a 01:54:10.920 --> 01:54:13.560 cyclist would be forced to Swerve onto 01:54:13.640 --> 01:54:15.560 the fog line and if you're wondering 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:18.359 what a fog line is a fog line is the 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:20.359 white line on the side of the roadway 01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:23.199 and this is dangerous remember again the 01:54:23.279 --> 01:54:24.960 material that we're talking about here 01:54:25.039 --> 01:54:26.439 too is 01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:29.600 contaminated the Chevon diamond shapes 01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:32.560 at intersections and that lights all 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:34.960 have acculated material on them large 01:54:35.039 --> 01:54:36.439 amounts of it cuz I went and looked 01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:38.840 after I talked to him now on the 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:42.720 MacArthur Bridge the bridge has fingers 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:47.359 who knew fingers allow movement and when 01:54:47.439 --> 01:54:49.560 blocked by not being swept the bridge 01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:52.960 stops moving this stresses the structure 01:54:53.039 --> 01:54:55.319 the fingers could need to be blown out 01:54:55.399 --> 01:54:56.880 with an air 01:54:56.960 --> 01:55:00.720 wand you don't get to do this you if you 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:02.840 don't do this it's at Great cost and 01:55:02.920 --> 01:55:05.119 eventually the bridge fails and falls 01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:09.319 down now the gentleman did in fact 01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.880 engage with counsel got his tracking 01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:15.039 nber which produced a return phone 01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:17.119 call simply saying that nothing could be 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:19.920 done because we're only interested in 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:23.560 local roads now to me me this seems like 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:26.640 a really serious issue and problem 01:55:26.720 --> 01:55:28.159 either there's something wrong with the 01:55:28.239 --> 01:55:31.600 RMS contract or the contract if it is 01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:35.000 correct is not being checked that that 01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:37.079 the conditions are actually being met 01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:39.119 and so I'm suggesting in this motion 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:40.920 that we actually do do something about 01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:42.920 it because while we may not be the 01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:45.000 controller of state roads they are in 01:55:45.079 --> 01:55:47.000 our local government area and they are 01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:48.680 important and the last thing I want is 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:50.840 to see The Bridge fall 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.359 down thank you councelor are there any 01:55:53.439 --> 01:55:55.760 speakers for the notice of 01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:59.239 motion councelor 01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:03.880 mlan happy to support this motion and 01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:05.760 for a nber of reasons I have noticed 01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:06.560 that 01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:10.439 over some years with these those 01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:12.279 roads and intersections that hav been 01:56:12.359 --> 01:56:17.000 noticed but I'm also aware that 01:56:17.079 --> 01:56:18.640 this is a wider 01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:23.079 issue in other parts of New South 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:26.319 Wales and and greater Sydney so 01:56:26.399 --> 01:56:29.760 whether it's a state government issue 01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:32.000 whether it's a the contractor's issue or 01:56:32.079 --> 01:56:34.800 how the these contracts contracts are 01:56:34.880 --> 01:56:37.840 being managed and administered I'm 01:56:37.920 --> 01:56:40.079 not sure which area it falls into or 01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:42.520 maybe it's a little bit of everything 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:47.439 it certainly is a an issue and a risk 01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:50.079 and Hazard to multiple Road users 01:56:50.159 --> 01:56:53.079 particularly vulnerable Road users 01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:55.279 and certainly then there's all of 01:56:55.359 --> 01:56:57.399 those other issues that councelor 01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:00.279 Campbell has also raised so I'm very 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:02.760 very interested well I'm very keen to 01:57:02.840 --> 01:57:04.319 support this and very very interested in 01:57:04.399 --> 01:57:06.279 the response that we'll receive to 01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:11.199 hopefully try and assist in 01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:13.640 addressing this issue going forward 01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:15.800 thank you thank you councelor are there 01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:17.920 any other speakers for the 01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:21.560 recommendation councilor fidelli 01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:23.800 thank you coun Campbell for putting this 01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:27.319 forward because I do get a lot of 01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:29.560 calls about state roads but they 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:34.319 continue to blame Council so I 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:37.399 think this is fantastic I think we do 01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:39.199 have to act then that thank 01:57:39.279 --> 01:57:41.560 you thank you councelor are there any 01:57:41.640 --> 01:57:43.159 other speakers for the 01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:46.239 recommendation yes I support the motion 01:57:46.319 --> 01:57:47.960 because it's very important for the 01:57:48.039 --> 01:57:52.119 environment and they and councelor 01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:53.920 cell and Council feli have also 01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:56.039 supported the fact that it is very 01:57:56.119 --> 01:57:58.840 relevant for the so I support the 01:57:58.920 --> 01:58:00.880 motion thank you thank you councelor 01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:05.079 Siri are there any other speakers for 01:58:05.159 --> 01:58:06.199 the notice of 01:58:06.279 --> 01:58:09.640 motion against the notice of motion with 01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:11.039 that I 01:58:11.119 --> 01:58:13.760 put sure why not no one's voting against 01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:15.840 it but no speakers against but we'll 01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:17.760 give it to you that's very kind of you 01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:20.000 madam May thank you very much just to 01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:23.960 also add to this that I have a have the 01:58:24.039 --> 01:58:27.000 name of the current contractor that was 01:58:27.079 --> 01:58:29.000 contacted 01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:32.239 who wasn't very polite apparently to 01:58:32.319 --> 01:58:35.119 the person that has come forward I 01:58:35.199 --> 01:58:36.960 can supply that to the council officers 01:58:37.039 --> 01:58:39.479 and I also have the name of the local 01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:43.000 resident who spoke to me first on the 01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:47.119 phone and we once we got o over our 01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:49.439 misunderstanding we had a 2-hour meeting 01:58:49.520 --> 01:58:51.119 which went Gang Busters and I learned an 01:58:51.199 --> 01:58:52.680 awful lot of information I have that 01:58:52.760 --> 01:58:55.039 person's name and contact details too if 01:58:55.119 --> 01:58:56.640 that would be of assistance to the 01:58:56.720 --> 01:58:59.039 council offices thank you councelor 01:58:59.119 --> 01:59:00.119 Campbell with that I put the 01:59:00.199 --> 01:59:02.439 recommendation forward all those in 01:59:02.520 --> 01:59:05.920 favor unanimous thank 01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:10.199 you on to item 19 notice of motion solar 01:59:10.279 --> 01:59:12.079 panels for Camden Sports Club the 01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:15.439 recommendation is on page 01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:18.239 97 councelor Campbell you're happy to 01:59:18.319 --> 01:59:22.479 move this do you have a seconder i 01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:26.319 would like to actually amend the words 01:59:27.039 --> 01:59:29.840 slightly okay so we have an amended 01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:33.319 recommendation do we have a second or 01:59:33.399 --> 01:59:38.479 first seconded councelor 01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:40.880 mlan okay what's your Amendment and 01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:44.079 we'll get it typed up well I'm 01:59:44.159 --> 01:59:47.760 just sorry I'm adding Madame mayor 01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:50.439 with your Indulgence thank you the words 01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:52.720 up to before 01:59:52.800 --> 01:59:55.479 pardon me the dollar amount and I've got 01:59:55.560 --> 01:59:57.479 somewhere here the rest of it except it 01:59:57.560 --> 01:59:59.720 appears to have disappeared and I 01:59:59.800 --> 02:00:03.520 also wanted to add in at the 02:00:03.600 --> 02:00:08.199 end oh here we go con contribute up 02:00:08.279 --> 02:00:09.840 to 02:00:09.920 --> 02:00:12.640 $445 at the beginning and then at the 02:00:12.720 --> 02:00:16.560 end to add sorry councel just pause 02:00:16.640 --> 02:00:19.880 there so we've got a chance to type that 02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:23.960 up so it's the words up to 02:00:24.199 --> 02:00:27.640 got to go in up to before the 02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:30.159 dollars okay okay and then the next at 02:00:30.239 --> 02:00:34.840 the very at the very end on the 02:00:35.239 --> 02:00:39.239 Proviso that officers 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:45.079 endorse the specifications of the solar 02:00:45.800 --> 02:00:49.439 contract and support the engineering 02:00:49.520 --> 02:00:52.520 report 02:01:05.039 --> 02:01:07.920 okay counselor just to confirm that 02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:11.479 what's written up there in the yellow is 02:01:11.560 --> 02:01:13.199 how you wish it to be 02:01:13.279 --> 02:01:16.359 amended yes yep and Council McAn as a 02:01:16.439 --> 02:01:19.640 second ey you happy to accept those 02:01:19.720 --> 02:01:22.760 changes no i' I've made that change to 02:01:22.840 --> 02:01:25.279 the wording in relation to comments 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:28.199 that have been made to me about people 02:01:28.279 --> 02:01:30.920 possibly not quite understanding what 02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:33.239 I was trying to do here or what its 02:01:33.319 --> 02:01:34.960 implications would be because there's 02:01:35.039 --> 02:01:38.079 the get out of jail free card if in fact 02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:40.600 it it doesn't work out the way I expect 02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:43.600 that it would as far as the the contract 02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:46.880 and the engineering report go so what I 02:01:46.960 --> 02:01:48.640 wanted to say about it is that Ward 02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:50.880 funds allow counselors to support 02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:53.880 exceptional Comm Community projects 02:01:53.960 --> 02:01:55.840 projects that are not funded from other 02:01:55.920 --> 02:01:58.760 sources and to reimburse development 02:01:58.840 --> 02:02:01.039 application fees levied on community 02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:03.760 groups for example the most recent 02:02:03.840 --> 02:02:07.399 allocations from Ward funds were $40,000 02:02:07.479 --> 02:02:09.800 for reinstating paths at the veggie 02:02:09.880 --> 02:02:12.920 gardens on Miss Davy's Farm the town 02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:18.640 farm and reimbursing about $1,500 which 02:02:18.720 --> 02:02:21.159 were development applications charged to 02:02:21.239 --> 02:02:24.159 the men's shed for the their 02:02:24.239 --> 02:02:25.479 development 02:02:25.560 --> 02:02:27.840 application the expenditure of these 02:02:27.920 --> 02:02:30.520 Ward funds fits the Local Government Act 02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:34.159 1993 guiding principles that we provide 02:02:34.239 --> 02:02:36.600 strong and effective leadership and work 02:02:36.680 --> 02:02:39.560 with others in this case the iconic 02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:42.720 Camden Sports Club to secure appropriate 02:02:42.800 --> 02:02:46.359 services for local community needs the 02:02:46.439 --> 02:02:48.680 sports club comprises men and women's 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:51.319 bowling clubs bowls lessons for young 02:02:51.399 --> 02:02:54.399 people beach volleyball a social club 02:02:54.479 --> 02:02:56.600 facilities used by other clubs and 02:02:56.680 --> 02:02:59.840 Community groups and is a sport venue 02:02:59.920 --> 02:03:02.159 for local high local school 02:03:02.239 --> 02:03:06.560 students solar panels will remove 48.6 02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:10.760 tons of CO2 per anom from the atmosphere 02:03:10.840 --> 02:03:13.119 they will set an ex excellent example in 02:03:13.199 --> 02:03:15.880 councils towards net zero emissions 02:03:15.960 --> 02:03:18.760 objectives for the Galaxy of community 02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:23.079 users of the club the best spite from up 02:03:23.159 --> 02:03:24.279 to 02:03:24.359 --> 02:03:27.800 $4,000 per month in electricity bills 02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:30.960 will ensure a brighter future for all 02:03:31.039 --> 02:03:32.920 this is a council-owned property as 02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:35.560 we've discussed earlier tonight it's run 02:03:35.640 --> 02:03:39.000 by Coalition of local sporting clubs 02:03:39.079 --> 02:03:41.960 they pay rent to councel they've paid 02:03:42.039 --> 02:03:45.119 rent for seven and a half decades at no 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:48.560 cost Council and while this seems a lot 02:03:48.640 --> 02:03:51.000 of money the benefits will be 02:03:51.079 --> 02:03:52.199 immeasurable 02:03:52.279 --> 02:03:54.359 and I think it's time for us to give 02:03:54.439 --> 02:03:56.319 something 02:03:56.399 --> 02:03:58.880 back thank you councelor are there any 02:03:58.960 --> 02:04:00.680 speakers for the 02:04:00.760 --> 02:04:03.760 recommendation against the recommend for 02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:06.279 the recommendation councel mlan oh 02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:09.800 thanks Madam mayor I'm happy to 02:04:09.880 --> 02:04:10.960 support the 02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:14.399 recommendation I was pleased that 02:04:14.479 --> 02:04:16.359 councelor Campbell was able 02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:19.359 to email 02:04:19.439 --> 02:04:21.479 everyone at some point today I looked at 02:04:21.560 --> 02:04:22.159 the 02:04:22.239 --> 02:04:25.680 afternoon with further information 02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:29.399 and detail around exactly what and who 02:04:29.479 --> 02:04:32.159 and the the the specifications around 02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:35.279 what was actually being put forward 02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:37.000 to to 02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:39.439 install and 02:04:39.520 --> 02:04:42.960 it is is quite a considerable system 02:04:43.039 --> 02:04:46.640 actually which is fantastic to to 02:04:46.720 --> 02:04:50.000 see but they they actually need that 02:04:50.079 --> 02:04:52.119 system 02:04:52.199 --> 02:04:57.279 I think it was 57 KW from memory 02:04:57.359 --> 02:05:00.560 and that is obviously massive the the 02:05:00.640 --> 02:05:03.600 one of my houses a few kilowatts you 02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:06.319 need a massive one a large large 02:05:06.399 --> 02:05:09.920 commercial installation such as 02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:12.600 this for all of the heating and cooling 02:05:12.680 --> 02:05:16.640 costs that go into such a such a 02:05:16.720 --> 02:05:20.640 facility looking at the the projected 02:05:20.720 --> 02:05:22.840 02:05:22.920 --> 02:05:23.960 02:05:24.039 --> 02:05:27.720 kilowatt output or or potential I 02:05:27.800 --> 02:05:30.359 guess annual yield of of such an 02:05:30.439 --> 02:05:33.560 installation I think it was described 02:05:33.640 --> 02:05:37.359 at around about 80,000 which is 02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:39.439 obviously very very significant I did 02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:40.760 actually cost reference out with a 02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:43.319 couple of other websites I'm 02:05:43.399 --> 02:05:47.560 familiar with and I'm pretty 02:05:47.640 --> 02:05:49.720 confident that that is very very 02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:54.399 accurate that being the case it means 02:05:54.479 --> 02:05:59.560 you would be yielding around about a 24 02:05:59.640 --> 02:06:04.079 $25,000 cost of saving that is to 02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:06.000 your electricity bill sure that's 02:06:06.079 --> 02:06:07.199 going to be different some years 02:06:07.279 --> 02:06:08.600 depending on different weather and 02:06:08.680 --> 02:06:11.920 whatever else but the fact is it's it's 02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:14.720 prob it's in between it's at least 02:06:14.800 --> 02:06:17.520 $20,000 it could be $25 $26,000 02:06:17.600 --> 02:06:19.960 depending on the year so the payback 02:06:20.039 --> 02:06:23.159 period of that installation is is 02:06:23.239 --> 02:06:25.680 about could be as low as 2 years might 02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:28.119 be two and a half might even be three 02:06:28.199 --> 02:06:31.000 but in anyone's language a return on 02:06:31.079 --> 02:06:33.479 investment of solar installations over 02:06:33.560 --> 02:06:37.840 that period is is is a very very very 02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:40.199 significant return on investment in 02:06:40.279 --> 02:06:42.560 my opinion and when comparing it to 02:06:42.640 --> 02:06:44.960 comparable residential installations 02:06:45.039 --> 02:06:46.840 it's certainly doesn't stuck up like 02:06:46.920 --> 02:06:48.920 that with residential 02:06:49.000 --> 02:06:52.279 installations so for those reasons 02:06:52.359 --> 02:06:55.000 and and to I guess recognize that it's a 02:06:55.079 --> 02:06:57.199 world used and and now obviously with 02:06:57.279 --> 02:07:01.239 its refurbishment and and and and 02:07:01.319 --> 02:07:03.359 upkeep and maintenance of it it's 02:07:03.439 --> 02:07:05.000 going to be an absolutely fantastic 02:07:05.079 --> 02:07:08.279 facility I can't wait to see see 02:07:08.359 --> 02:07:10.840 completed and with some solar it 02:07:10.920 --> 02:07:14.880 will also help I guess contribute to 02:07:14.960 --> 02:07:16.920 council's Direction in which we've 02:07:17.000 --> 02:07:19.439 already endorsed previous in previous 02:07:19.520 --> 02:07:23.119 terms of council towards net zero 02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:26.279 emissions as well so I look forward to 02:07:26.359 --> 02:07:29.039 well I I'd very much support this 02:07:29.119 --> 02:07:30.720 and look forward to seeing it 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:33.000 hopefully being implemented thank you 02:07:33.079 --> 02:07:35.079 councilor mlan are there any speakers 02:07:35.159 --> 02:07:37.840 against the recommendation councelor 02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:40.479 Ramen thank you Madame mayor I would 02:07:40.560 --> 02:07:44.159 like to move an amendment for this 02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:47.479 motion particularly that the matter 02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:50.279 be differed to allow a briefing for 02:07:50.359 --> 02:07:53.119 councilors on the proposal including how 02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:55.800 this initiative aligns with councils 02:07:55.880 --> 02:07:58.479 toward Net Zero priorities to install 02:07:58.560 --> 02:08:01.880 solar solar on Council owned 02:08:01.960 --> 02:08:04.239 buildings thank you councelor do we have 02:08:04.319 --> 02:08:06.840 a second for that Amendment councelor 02:08:06.920 --> 02:08:09.560 Ferrari thank you would you like to 02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:13.239 speak to that amended motion councilor 02:08:13.319 --> 02:08:16.119 Ramen yes madame mayor thank you the 02:08:16.199 --> 02:08:17.840 reasons I'm putting forward this 02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:20.640 amendment is that councilors have not 02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:23.079 been provided enough information about 02:08:23.159 --> 02:08:25.520 the project including reports on the 02:08:25.600 --> 02:08:28.319 design and construction details for the 02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:31.520 proposed solar system the assessment of 02:08:31.600 --> 02:08:34.359 structural adequate of the roof and 02:08:34.439 --> 02:08:37.000 building for the solar system detailed 02:08:37.079 --> 02:08:39.880 cost estimate for the works and the 02:08:39.960 --> 02:08:43.039 reason why word funds proposed to be 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:45.720 used for the project without assessing 02:08:45.800 --> 02:08:46.640 other 02:08:46.720 --> 02:08:49.079 priorities any Heritage 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:51.079 considerations including the visual 02:08:51.159 --> 02:08:53.920 aspect effects I am also concerned that 02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:56.960 this proposal is being considered on its 02:08:57.039 --> 02:09:00.119 own and I would like this proposal to be 02:09:00.199 --> 02:09:02.520 considered in conjunction with council's 02:09:02.600 --> 02:09:05.279 other priorities for the installation of 02:09:05.359 --> 02:09:08.720 solar system on council's buildings 02:09:08.800 --> 02:09:10.439 thank you councilors for considering 02:09:10.520 --> 02:09:13.000 these amendments thank you councelor 02:09:13.079 --> 02:09:15.000 Ramen are there any speakers for the 02:09:15.079 --> 02:09:16.399 amended 02:09:16.479 --> 02:09:19.319 motion against the amended 02:09:19.399 --> 02:09:21.760 motion with that I put the amend motion 02:09:21.840 --> 02:09:23.439 forward all those in 02:09:23.520 --> 02:09:26.479 favor councelor Ramen councelor quell 02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:28.680 councelor ferreri councelor Sakari 02:09:28.760 --> 02:09:30.880 councelor fidelli and councelor Ashley 02:09:30.960 --> 02:09:34.840 Kagney the motion is 02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:39.359 carried becomes the amendment became 02:09:39.439 --> 02:09:40.960 yeah that's correct yes the amendment 02:09:41.039 --> 02:09:42.680 has just become the 02:09:42.760 --> 02:09:50.720 motion so we are now debating the 02:09:53.199 --> 02:09:55.319 we will now debate the new motion which 02:09:55.399 --> 02:10:00.520 is that the item that is referred to in 02:10:00.600 --> 02:10:02.159 oh sorry the recommendation that is 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:05.760 referred to in item 19 be deferred 02:10:05.840 --> 02:10:07.960 subject to a counselor briefing with 02:10:08.039 --> 02:10:09.920 additional information to be provided to 02:10:10.000 --> 02:10:11.720 counselors that's the gist of it 02:10:11.800 --> 02:10:12.680 councilor 02:10:12.760 --> 02:10:18.279 rman yep yes madame May 02:10:22.159 --> 02:10:26.079 are there any you're good with that yep 02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:29.279 I'll now ask for any speakers for the 02:10:29.359 --> 02:10:30.279 new 02:10:30.359 --> 02:10:33.079 motion against the New 02:10:33.159 --> 02:10:35.439 Motion councilor 02:10:35.520 --> 02:10:38.119 Campbell I will speak against it I'll 02:10:38.199 --> 02:10:41.560 defer to the fact that possibly the way 02:10:41.640 --> 02:10:45.880 the ward fund system operates is new to 02:10:45.960 --> 02:10:50.000 new counselors we don't have a list of 02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:52.560 things that might spend the ward funds 02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:54.720 that they're just things that that come 02:10:54.800 --> 02:10:57.079 up that people are become aware of 02:10:57.159 --> 02:11:00.800 within the community as indeed the 02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:03.359 one was for the 40 grand for the paths 02:11:03.439 --> 02:11:06.199 in the in the veggie garden and in this 02:11:06.279 --> 02:11:09.159 instance no one spoke to me about this 02:11:09.239 --> 02:11:11.079 this isn't something that I've been 02:11:11.159 --> 02:11:15.439 lobbied to do it's something that was my 02:11:15.520 --> 02:11:20.720 own idea because very often we don't 02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:23.960 spend any money from Wards fun funds in 02:11:24.039 --> 02:11:26.399 a year and in that instance they just 02:11:26.479 --> 02:11:28.319 roll over which is why we have the 02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:30.319 amount in them that we have now because 02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:33.199 there's this year's and several previous 02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:37.960 years entire amount and part amount 02:11:38.039 --> 02:11:40.039 and while while I 02:11:40.119 --> 02:11:42.359 appreciate knowledge as being an 02:11:42.439 --> 02:11:43.880 important 02:11:43.960 --> 02:11:49.880 thing I think that when you see the 02:11:49.960 --> 02:11:52.279 contract 02:11:52.359 --> 02:11:54.640 it's going to be a bit of a surprise to 02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:56.560 everybody because I'm certainly not a 02:11:56.640 --> 02:11:59.920 soul expert I did have a conversation 02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:02.640 with one counselor this afternoon about 02:12:02.720 --> 02:12:07.000 the cost but this is not anything like 02:12:07.079 --> 02:12:08.800 the sort of thing that you might choose 02:12:08.880 --> 02:12:13.119 to put on your roof at home from 02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:15.279 someone who came around and and dwn 02:12:15.359 --> 02:12:17.880 knocked and sold you a cheap one which 02:12:17.960 --> 02:12:19.680 isn't all that good because they tend to 02:12:19.760 --> 02:12:21.680 be fire hazards if they're not 02:12:21.760 --> 02:12:24.239 properly constructed and and installed 02:12:24.319 --> 02:12:28.199 this is a company a large company 02:12:28.279 --> 02:12:31.800 Synergy a commercial solar installation 02:12:31.880 --> 02:12:34.119 group who are experts in commercial 02:12:34.199 --> 02:12:37.199 solar it's a really big system because 02:12:37.279 --> 02:12:39.880 of all the lighting in the club and 02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:42.239 because of the cool rooms and the 02:12:42.319 --> 02:12:44.600 refrigeration that they need the power 02:12:44.680 --> 02:12:47.960 for and and as such it meets all of 02:12:48.039 --> 02:12:51.439 the criteria as I said for for our 02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:53.880 role as a counselor our Council policy 02:12:53.960 --> 02:12:56.479 on towards net zero emissions it does 02:12:56.560 --> 02:12:59.279 not in any way establish a 02:12:59.359 --> 02:13:01.600 precedent we can have a a decision 02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:03.640 without precedent in the first place you 02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:05.640 don't have to make it into a precedent 02:13:05.720 --> 02:13:08.520 and there is no other facility in the 02:13:08.600 --> 02:13:11.319 whole of Camden local government area 02:13:11.399 --> 02:13:13.159 and there is never going to be a 02:13:13.239 --> 02:13:16.520 facility which is anything like this one 02:13:16.600 --> 02:13:19.479 and touches on the nber of groups and 02:13:19.560 --> 02:13:22.560 people who go through that club and to 02:13:22.640 --> 02:13:25.760 save them3 and a half to $4,000 a month 02:13:25.840 --> 02:13:28.840 in electricity fees and by the way I 02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:30.439 understand that they're up for another 02:13:30.520 --> 02:13:33.520 renewal with their electricity provider 02:13:33.600 --> 02:13:36.680 and every time that renewal occurs they 02:13:36.760 --> 02:13:38.840 end up paying more electricity is 02:13:38.920 --> 02:13:41.680 crippling people and I would not like to 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:44.239 see it [ __ ] this particular Community 02:13:44.319 --> 02:13:46.960 facility which has served us so well in 02:13:47.039 --> 02:13:49.159 the past and with a bit of a refurb is 02:13:49.239 --> 02:13:51.880 going to do even more so in the future 02:13:51.960 --> 02:13:54.119 so I'd really like this to be passed 02:13:54.199 --> 02:13:57.600 well not this not to have the amendment 02:13:57.680 --> 02:14:00.960 passed thank you counselor are there any 02:14:01.039 --> 02:14:03.840 speakers for the new 02:14:03.920 --> 02:14:06.600 motion 02:14:06.680 --> 02:14:09.239 against councelor Ramen would you 02:14:09.319 --> 02:14:11.920 like a write of 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:14.600 reply I really need to look into the 02:14:14.680 --> 02:14:18.119 response from the other councilors 02:14:18.199 --> 02:14:20.399 Madame may I will wait for the decision 02:14:20.479 --> 02:14:21.920 for 02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:24.159 thank you thank you with that I put the 02:14:24.239 --> 02:14:28.000 recommendation forward all those in 02:14:28.079 --> 02:14:31.880 favor councelor McLean councelor quenel 02:14:31.960 --> 02:14:35.000 councelor fare yeah sorry sorry my 02:14:35.079 --> 02:14:37.600 apologies the the amended recommendation 02:14:37.680 --> 02:14:40.439 correct 02:14:40.520 --> 02:14:42.840 yeah sorry Madame mayor I need to 02:14:42.920 --> 02:14:45.319 clarify this is it amended one we are 02:14:45.399 --> 02:14:47.720 proceed with or just original one with 02:14:47.800 --> 02:14:49.960 your Amendment we are now proceed so 02:14:50.039 --> 02:14:52.199 your amendment has become come the the 02:14:52.279 --> 02:14:54.800 new motion now we're voting on that 02:14:54.880 --> 02:14:56.880 thank 02:14:56.960 --> 02:15:00.920 you councelor Ramen councelor quel 02:15:01.000 --> 02:15:03.119 counselor ferreri counselor Sakari 02:15:03.199 --> 02:15:05.800 councelor fidelli and councelor Kagney 02:15:05.880 --> 02:15:08.479 the motion is 02:15:08.560 --> 02:15:11.760 carried onto item 20 closure of meeting 02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:14.680 to the public the recommendation is on 02:15:14.760 --> 02:15:17.439 page 98 is there a move and second of 02:15:17.520 --> 02:15:20.399 for point1 only that we consider that 02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:22.039 any sub missions from the public 02:15:22.119 --> 02:15:23.880 concerning the closure of the 02:15:23.960 --> 02:15:27.960 meeting moved councelor mlan seconded 02:15:28.039 --> 02:15:30.079 councelor Ferrari Council mlan would you 02:15:30.159 --> 02:15:31.399 like to speak to the 02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:33.520 motion nothing to add thank you Madame 02:15:33.600 --> 02:15:36.439 mayor any speakers for or 02:15:36.520 --> 02:15:39.560 against well with that I put the motion 02:15:39.640 --> 02:15:42.119 forward all those in 02:15:42.199 --> 02:15:44.960 favor okay counselors there are no 02:15:45.039 --> 02:15:47.000 submissions to consider this evening so 02:15:47.079 --> 02:15:49.119 I will now ask for a move and second out 02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:51.520 the point two that we close the meeting 02:15:51.600 --> 02:15:53.720 to the media and public to discuss 02:15:53.800 --> 02:15:55.159 reports dealing with the commercial 02:15:55.239 --> 02:15:56.800 matters in accordance with the 02:15:56.880 --> 02:16:00.439 provisions of sections 10 A2 C and 10 A2 02:16:00.520 --> 02:16:04.039 D1 of the Local Government Act 1993 02:16:04.119 --> 02:16:06.720 moved councelor mlan seconded councelor 02:16:06.800 --> 02:16:09.399 F councilor McLean would you like to 02:16:09.479 --> 02:16:11.079 speak to 02:16:11.159 --> 02:16:14.000 that only that it's a significantly 02:16:14.079 --> 02:16:16.000 important commercial and confidence item 02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:18.079 that needs to be dealt within a closed 02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:20.039 meeting thank you councelor mlan are 02:16:20.119 --> 02:16:21.520 there any other speakers is for or 02:16:21.600 --> 02:16:23.239 against with that I put the 02:16:23.319 --> 02:16:25.119 recommendation forward all those in FL 02:16:25.199 --> 02:16:27.560 all those in favor or 02:16:27.640 --> 02:16:30.960 flavor unanonymous thank 02:16:31.039 --> 02:16:33.399 you all right ladies and gentlemen I'll 02:16:33.479 --> 02:16:35.360 now ask that you vacate the chamber and 02:16:35.440 --> 02:16:37.559 we will temporarily suspend live 02:16:37.639 --> 02:16:39.760 streaming once a decision has been made 02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:42.280 we will reopen the chamber continue the 02:16:42.360 --> 02:16:43.920 live stream and announce what has been 02:16:44.000 --> 02:16:46.600 passed thank 02:16:48.600 --> 02:16:51.360 you welcome back ladies and gentlemen 02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:53.239 the reports were discussed in the closed 02:16:53.319 --> 02:16:54.760 session of council and passed the 02:16:54.840 --> 02:16:58.319 following motion item CC1 acquisition of 02:16:58.399 --> 02:17:00.639 land brelli that Council authorized the 02:17:00.719 --> 02:17:02.479 general manager or his nominee to 02:17:02.559 --> 02:17:04.520 negotiate and resolve the matter of the 02:17:04.600 --> 02:17:07.879 acquisition of 925 the northern Rob and 02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:10.440 jelly as recommended in this report 02:17:10.520 --> 02:17:12.079 thank you councilors and members of the 02:17:12.159 --> 02:17:13.799 public for your attendance this evening 02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:15.719 I wish you all a wonderful night thank 02:17:15.799 --> 02:17:18.799 you