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good evening counselors and members of

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the public council is conducting this

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ordinary meeting in person and Via video

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conferencing as well as live streaming

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we are using both a conferencing tool

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and live streaming software so please

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bear with us should we encounter any

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technical difficulties councilors during

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the course of the meeting it would be

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appreciated if you could please ensure

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that you remain seated so you are

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that you raise your hand to move and

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speak and also to vote please councilors

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please give your attention to councelor

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Eliza Rahman who will lead us in prayer

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and acknowledgement of

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country thank you Madame

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Mayor I will go for affirmation we

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affirm our hope and dedication to the

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good government of Camden and the

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well-being of all Camden's residents no

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matter their race gender or creed we

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affirm our hope for the sound decision

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making by Council which can improve the

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quality of life in

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Camden I will go for acknowledgement of

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country I would like to acknowledge that

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the this meeting is being held on the

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traditional lands and waterways of the

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Dharawal people and also recognize

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surrounding Dharug and Gundungurra people and

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pay our respect to Elders past present

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and those

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emerging thank you so much councelor

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Rahman webcasting of Council meetings in

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accordance with Camden council's code

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of meeting practice and as permitted

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under the Local Government Act

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1993 this meeting is being live streamed

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and recorded by Council staff for minute

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taking and webcasting purposes the

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recording will be made publicly

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available on council's website no other

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webcasting or recording by video camera

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still camera or any other electronic

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device capable of webcasting or

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images is permitted without the prior

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approval of the

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council Council has not authorized any

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other webcasting or recording of this

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meeting I remind those that are

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participating in this meeting that your

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live to the public and will also be

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recorded so please be mindful of your

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actions and comments you should avoid

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making statements that might defame or

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offend or that release any personal

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information about another individual

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without their consent Council accepts no

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liability for any damage that may result

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from your actions and comments under

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individuals acting in a disorderly

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manner can be asked by the chairperson

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to leave the

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meeting councilors this evening we have

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no leaves of absence and we also have no

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requests to attend via audio visual

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link council do we have any Declarations

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of Interest this evening councelor Rahman

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thank you Madame Mayor I would like to

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declare an interest in item order 03

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Community grants

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202425 as I have closed affiliations with

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a number of cultural and charitable

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organizations who have been recommended

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to receive allocations of funding under

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the program as I as such I will vacate

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the chamber and not take part in

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discussion and voting on this

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matter thank you councelor are there any

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other Declarations of Interest councilor

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Fedeli thank you Madame Mayor  I also

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would like to declare that on item three

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Community grants

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202425 as my husband volunteers as a coach

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at Gregory Hill soccer however my

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interest is non-pecuniary and not

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significant but I would prefer  to

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vacate the chamber and not take part in

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the matter thank you thank you councelor

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are there any other Declarations of

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Interest councilor

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Campell  I have  a number of

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organizations  I support blue wren

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house the women shelter I support the

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men sheds in Camden for the work that

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they do socially  in the community I

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am a former board member of Meals on

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Wheels and a volunteer here however I am

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no longer on that board  I'm also

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associated with the Camden show society

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and with venting at the Bicentennial

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Park then we come to number one Mother

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Hubbard's cupboard I'm a volunteer at

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Mother Hubbard's cupboard and have been

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for many years I'm not associated with

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any decision making there nor am I on

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the board however the stbling block

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for some people may be the fact that

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that 

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charity exists  on the property of my

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late aunt  I don't believe that's a

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significant interest and I don't believe

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she would have either but on that ground

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alone I'm going to vacate the

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chamber thank you councelor Campbell are

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there any other Declarations of Interest

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councelor Cornell thank you madame mayor I

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wish to declare an interest in  or

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number three Community grants as I am a

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volunteer with the Cannon musical society

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however my interest is non pecuniary and

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not significant and as such will remain

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in the chamber

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thank you very much counselor are there

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any other Declarations of

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Interest well with that  I'll ask for

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a move and second that the Declarations

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of Interest be noted moved councelor

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McLean seconded counselor Ferreri all

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those in

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favor unanimous thank

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you the public address session of

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council meeting provides an opportunity

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for people to speak publicly on on any

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item on council's business paper the

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public address session will be conducted

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in accordance with the public address

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guidelines where a member of the public

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raises a question during a public

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address session a response will be

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provided where counselors or staff have

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the necessary information at hand if not

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a reply will be provided at a later time

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there is a limit of one question per

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speaker per meeting all speakers are

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limited to 4 minutes with a one one

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minute warning given to speakers prior

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to their 4minute time period

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elapsing the commencement and conclusion

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of time shall be advised by myself the

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chair it should be noted that speakers

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at Council meetings do not enjoy any

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protection from parliamentary style

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privilege therefore they are subject to

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the risk of defamation action if they

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make comments about

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individuals in the event that a speaker

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makes potentially offensive or

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defamatory remarks about any person the

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chair will ask them to refrain from such

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comments the chair has a discretion to

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withdraw the privilege to speak where a

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speaker continues to make inappropriate

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or offensive comments about another

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person or make a point of order ruling

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if a speaker breaches the guidelines

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only the audio recording of the public

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address speakers will be heard on

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council's website visual images of the

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speaker will not be captured as a part

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of that

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webcast under C council's code of

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meeting practice public address session

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guidelines all applicants to address

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Council must relate to council items on

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the agenda as there are no reports

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relating to a development application on

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tonight's agenda speakers are not

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permitted to speak on any specific da I

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want to thank the residents who have

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attended tonight's meeting I apologize

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if you were expecting to address Council

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on any specific da however our rules and

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legislation simply do not permit this as

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councilors are aware the elected Council

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has no role in determining Das and

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cannot try to influence the assessment

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or outcome of the assessments of

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Das in March of 2018 the state

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government changed the planning

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legislation and removed counselors from

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any role in determining

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Das this legislation applies to all

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councils across

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Sydney at the time the state government

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established independent local planning

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panels to determine certain development

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applications your submission will be

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provided to our local planning panel

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when the panel meets to determine the da

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which will occur next year unless the da

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is

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withdrawn residents can attend the panel

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meeting and speak to the panel the

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applicant will also be invited to the

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panel meeting in this way panel members

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will hear from both sides Council off

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offices will keep residents updated as

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their assessment

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progresses to the residents of nurel

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Andale I can assure you that I have

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received and read all of your

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submissions and I have I have made sure

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that every single one has been forwarded

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onto council's planning

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offices many of my councelor colleagues

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have done exactly the same while Council

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does not determine de development

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applications we do determine planning

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proposals which are quite different to

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das and involve the rezoning of

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land there is a report on a planning

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proposal for the piter precinct included

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on tonight's agenda which is ordinary

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item one and a speaker addressing

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Council  will speak to this particular

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report so with that I'll now commence

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the public address session of council we

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have five speakers this evening and one

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tentative but  I would like to from

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all of our speakers tonight  so that

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will be six speakers in total the first

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we'll begin with Mr Trevor Jensen on

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behalf of marylands estate developments

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and he will be speaking on

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item  14 notice of motion recision

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name  Place naming proposal new suburb

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Barker and Mr Jensen will be speaking

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for thank you your time will begin when

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 you hit the speaker button thank you

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thank you Madame Mayor  Madame Mayor

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councilors council executive and

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officers thank you for the opportunity

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to address Council regarding motion

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number 14 that considers the creation of

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a new suburb named

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Barka my name is Trevor Jensen and I the

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general manager of Maryland estate

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developments the company charged with

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the responsibility and privilege of of

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the creation of a new estate and

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Township within the l Creek Maryland

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Precinct I also acknowledge and thank

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counselors and officers for your

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particip a in the process and the

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councilors that have brought the motion

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for consideration at this evening's

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meeting we also acknowledge and

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appreciate the input of Camden

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Historical Society who have supported

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this

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journey the land is unique and contains

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Heritage assets of exceptional value 

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which has prompted the listing of

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Maryland on the state Heritage register

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of significant sites as stated in the

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register Maryland retains 19th century

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estate layout and designed by engineer

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Thomas Barker and his son Thomas Barker

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it contains an outstanding group of

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estate buildings including a homestead

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two goate houses Winery buildings a home

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Farmhouse Stables a coach house and a

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store building the Winer and store may

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be the oldest surviving Winery buildings

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in

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Australia our vision and goals for the

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new estate are clear we seek to create a

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world-class community that inspires

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pride is a destination experience and

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leverages off the exceptional Heritage

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assets to create a beautiful place where

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people want to be we want to create a

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vibrant place for people to connect and

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belong the creation of a new suburb will

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be an important element in the creation

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of the new

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community many factors were carefully

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considered in the formulation of a new

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suburb name the investigation considered

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considered various sources of

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inspiration including First Nations

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peoples natural natural features Flor

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and FAA early settlers and land

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owners careful consideration was given

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to land owners Elizabeth and Annie

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Thompson who lived at Maryland from 1940

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until they passed in 2006 and 2009

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respectively the sisters were prominent

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and well-liked members of the

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community there are also compliance

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requirements set by the geographic names

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board or gnb which include the ensuring

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no duplications names must be easy to

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pronounce and spell along with a

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requirement that places are not to be

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named after living people the board does

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encourage names that are associated with

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the heritage of an

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area it is also important that land

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owners are supportive the consultation

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has under been undertaken by us and

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Council we've also consulted with the

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extended Barker family and have their

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support after the research the selection

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of the name to propose for the new

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suburb was a Clear Choice the name of

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Barker meets the requirements of the J&B

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and Mr Barker's contribution to the

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district and the entire colony is

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significant his contribution to the

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establishment of the site as we now know

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it is second to none

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evidence of the contributions

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accomplishments and character of Mr

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Barker is plentiful in late 1864 a

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dinner was held at Camden Park to

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celebrate the return of James MacArthur

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from England the dinner was chaired by

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Thomas Barker and reported on in the

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Sydney Morning Herald in response to a

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toast James MacArthur spoke of Thomas

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Barker and in MacArthur's words whilst

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in Sydney Mr Barker took a high place

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amongst those who represented the

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commercial interests of the colony and

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since residing in this district has done

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much for its advancement by the

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introduction of valuable stock by the

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example of steady industry and by

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cultivation of a Vineyard in private

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life he is everything we expect to find

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in a man and a Gentleman as a magistrate

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he has invariably acted according to the

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rules of justice so we thank Council for

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your consideration we request your

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support of this naming proposal and the

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creation of the new suburb of Bakka

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thank

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you thank you very much Mr Jensen and

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with  4 seconds to spare so fantastic

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timing I'll Now call upon our second

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speaker this evening Mr Mick Owens on

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behalf of Greenfield development company

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who will be speaking on item one post

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public exhibition Ponder Cherry Precinct

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planning proposal it's a mouthful and he

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will be speaking

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for  thank you Madame Mayor  yes my

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name's Mick ens I'm the general manager

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for greenfields development company I

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know there's a few new counselors here

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and we the Developers for or Park  yes

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I we're speaking on behalf of the  the

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recommendations made in the report and I

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just like to say that this has been a

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long time coming we've been 10 years

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since we started this resigning process

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it got caught up a lot within the

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department of planning for a very long

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time and  it wasn't until four years

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ago it was transferred to the

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responsibility of Camden council for for

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progressing the resoning that we made

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real traction yeah some of the issues

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are complex but they are resolvable and

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I wanted to thank the council staff and

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particular the strategic planning people

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here for for getting this report up to

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you report up to you now so so yes it

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has been a very long time coming and

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it's very important  this area is part

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of the expansion of or park it will be

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known as Orin Park sub it is called the

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pentary  planning proposal only

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because it was the farm holding that was

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there  but this is an important part

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of the housing supply for Sydney and and

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also some more important Community 

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facilities that we'll be U we'll be

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providing we're very proud of what we

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have done and what we've what what we

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will do and I wanted to give Council the

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assurance that we will continue on with

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our commitment to high quality

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developments and delivery of community

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facilities and some for some of the new

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 counselors  part of those

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facilities will will include a major 10

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hectare Lake I know there was some

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debate before  it went on on

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exhibition and it'll include a

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Neighborhood Center Cafe that overlooked

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the cafe Overlook the the Lakes  we'll

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build build also a new community center

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similar to the ones that we've already

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done and that will be done in with

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working closely with Council staff 

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we'll be building a major District

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Sports field a bit bigger than Doan

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Reserve that you see that that we've

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already delivered and  an extensive

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system of Pathways and neighborhood

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parks and  and also importantly some

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more new school sites that will be made

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available and to to continue on with our

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commitment for for learning here in in a

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park so

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so again we're very proud of what we've

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been done and we had the honor of 

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hosting the premier this morning here

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who  he was very thankful to see all

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the work that has happened out this way

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and  and  and we just wanted to 

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 obviously support the submission and

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to look forward to working with  you

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and your staff for the next  I think

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about six five six years for this to get

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developed so thank you very much thank

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you thank you very much Mr

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Owens our third speaker this

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evening is Mrs Heather looms the

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co-chair of the Camden W and Dilly wi

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Caribbean

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Network Mrs looms will be speaking on

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item 16 notice of motion housing need

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and Mrs looms will be speaking

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for thank you Madame Mayor Madame Mayor

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General  manager Council Executives

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Council staff and  those in the public

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Gallery my name is Heather looms and I

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speak in favor of council McLean's

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motion for C Council to lead the way on

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the issue of housing by acknowledging

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its importance and by hosting a housing

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affordability and homelessness For of

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relevant

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stakeholders I'm the co-chair of Camden

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Wallen Dilly Winder Caribbean Network

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who advocate for  across those three

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lgas on housing issues particularly for

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the creation of additional affordable

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rental housing in recent months in

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collaboration with so local social

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justice representatives from St Vincent

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deple Society New South Wales we met

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with Council McLean and with several

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others who were later elected as

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counselors to present our concerns and

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discuss Leever at the council's disposal

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to create affordable rental housing I do

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appreciate that various policies and

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actions demonstrate Camden council's 

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interest in the provision of affordable

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rental housing and I appreciate that the

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focus of our group's concern is for

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those in the rental market who are

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unable to afford rapidly increasing

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Market rents and for those who are

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pushed into homelessness because they

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cannot find suitable affordable rental

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housing those on low and very low

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incomes are especially vulnerable but

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this increasingly affects those on

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middle incomes as well I have provided

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some reports and statistics for

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councilors on

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paper  because it's hard to take in

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statistics while they're being spoken c

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council's local strategic planning

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statement  2020 states that currently

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35% of rental households are

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experiencing rental stress 84% of which

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that's nearly 15 00 households are very

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low and low income households the rental

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stress of Cam resents is forecast to

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increase over the next 20 years with

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demand for affordable rental housing

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increasing to nearly 7,000 dwellings in

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2036 two other prominent 2024 reports

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confirm these Trends are R reducing

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affordability of homes to rent and

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increasing rental

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stress Family Violence is a contributor

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to needs for additional affordable

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housing in the last Financial year in

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Camden LGA the new South rails Bureau of

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crime statistics and research reported

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that police up with 51 cases of domestic

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violence related assault even if

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individuals and families seeking to

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escape from domestic violence are lucky

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enough to find crisis accommodation and

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I believe that many are unable to be

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assisted they will still be in need of

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longer term affordable

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accommodation Camden's local housing

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strategy States the lack of affordable

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housing can have a range of negative

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social and economic costs so what can

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council do I believe there is Merit in

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Council recognizing the importance of

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the housing crisis for local residents

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and the possible implications for

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retaining essential workers in this area

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for the benefit of the whole Community

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The For proposed by this motion will

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bring together key stakeholders and

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community members who could develop

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outside of the Solutions and build

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Community Partnerships which could be

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part of the solution in conclusion

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Camden's duty of care to its residents

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can be expressed in the provisional of

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affordable rental housing to those most

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in need in this

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LGA Council hosting such a for would

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assist in meeting priority five

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objectives 11 and 12 of council's local

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housing strategy and go towards

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satisfying council's delivery plan lb

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2.1.4 Ensure sufficient housing capacity

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and diversity to meet local community

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need I urge councilors to vote in favor

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of the motion to put to this meeting by

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councilor McLean thank

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you thank you Mrs looms I'll now ask for

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speaker number four Miss Melissa

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Musgrave the secretary of the spirit of

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Camden Miss Musgrave will be speaking on

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item three Community grants

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20242 and she'll be speaking for the

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recommendation thank you

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good evening Mayor counselors and

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members of the community thank you for

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the opportunity to address you tonight

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and for council's generous support of

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the spirit of Camden through the

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community grant for our Camden Village

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Gathering initiative this funding will

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help us bring residents businesses and

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stakeholders together to discuss

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opportunities for Camden Village and

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strengthen our sense of community my

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name is Melissa Musgrave and I'm

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Secretary of spirit of Camden our

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committee includes local leaders Matt

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Glenn from snapology of Camden Shane

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Smith from Dr kron's House Ben Moulder

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from Camden Hotel Karina Nichols from

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Coots legal and Ranna and Holster from

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Camden Peno Picasso we also have the

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support of the Camden Historical Society

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local community groups and our

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enthusiastic members before I delve

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deeper I'm speak speaking on a distinct

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location within our LGA the suburb of

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Camden and the immediate surrounding

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suburbs Old Camden historical Camden

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Camden Township part of South Ward if

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you like and more specifically named as

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the records show from the original

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surveyor map of 1838 located in Camden

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Muse Camden Village Spirit of Camden

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is a Grassroots not for-profit

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organization dedicated to enhancing

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Camden Village as a destination for

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residents and visitors we aim to nurture

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cultural vibrancy support local

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businesses and create opportunities to

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celebrate our charm by collaborating

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with businesses Community groups

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government bodies and Council we will

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Thrive to position Camden Village as a

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premier lifestyle

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destination since May this year we were

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selected amongst 24 other District

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precincts to be part of the New South

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Wales government Uptown accelerator

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program run by the 24-hour economy we

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attended District precincts visioning

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planning stakeholder engagement and

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governance sessions and I personally

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presented our vision for Camden Village

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to over 300 people at the Uptown

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showcase and participation participated

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in the neon For conference as a

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speaker promoting the district we'd like

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to thank the council staff who attended

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the Showcase to support our efforts in

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September we incorporated presented

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launched recruited members and applied

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for two Council grants that we were part

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that were part of this latest round it

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was a crazy time it was a time of

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council elections we were soft launching

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and didn't want to miss the opportunity

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to apply for the 12 months Council

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sponsorship whilst we were not

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successful for funding for our big

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ticket Vision item an annual rock and

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roll Festival similar to The Parks Elvis

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Festival we do have a large we have

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large corporate companies interested to

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sponsor this this concept and our

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discussions and planning will continue

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our public launch at the Camden Hotel on

00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:15.839
Argo Street was a resounding success

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drawing over a 100 locals eager to hear

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about our work it was a night filled

00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.359
with enthusiasm and positivity and our

00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.000
membership continues to grow although a

00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.440
timing con coincided with the local

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government conference we appreciated

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some counselors who are available to

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represent the  the group but who am I

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very quickly I'm a proud Camden local

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born in Camden hospital and raised in

00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:40.880
this remarkable Community family has

00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:42.599
Deep Roots and I'm now bringing out my

00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.079
family here professionally I have served

00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.279
as a police officer for 31 years

00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:48.880
including time at the Camden Police

00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.640
Station on John Street in the late 1990s

00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:53.039
over the years I've held roles in

00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.039
governance public affairs operational

00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.279
support and education and will continue

00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.319
my career as a sing Sergeant until early

00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.799
next year where I will be retiring

00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:04.559
Community involvement has always been a

00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:06.680
priority for me I was a founding member

00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:08.240
of the committee responsible Camden

00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.640
skate park in Kirkham Park in the early

00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.279
2000s a founding member of Camden

00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:14.599
musical society and part of Camden

00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:16.440
council's event reference group for the

00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:18.559
past three years and these experiences

00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.079
have deepened my connection to Camden

00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.039
and inspired me to co-found Spirit of

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Camden our next major goal is to secure

00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:26.519
the New South Wales government Uptown

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Grant which is in its third year

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this grant represents a unique

00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:32.599
opportunity to highlight Camden Village

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as a destination of choice  Madame may

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could I give an extension yeah do we

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have a seconder seconder councelor

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Campbell all those in favor of a one

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minute extension granted there you go

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thank you so the Uptown  Grant is now

00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:48.559
in its third year it represents a unique

00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:50.440
opportunity to highlight Camden Village

00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:52.759
as a destination of choice and as per

00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.160
the grant aims and objectives  it

00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.000
would allow us to De develop a

00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:58.920
comprehensive strategic P for marketing

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and conser engagement driveing

00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.359
economic growth by increasing foot

00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.799
traffic and spending in the district we

00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.519
aim to complement council's existing

00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.079
efforts providing additional creative

00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:10.799
energies Manpower and resources to

00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.359
elevate Camden Villages profile even

00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.240
further to achieve this we respectfully

00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:17.880
request a letter of no objection from

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Council to support our Uptown Grant

00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.960
submission in closing the spirit of

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Camden is built on a profound love for

00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:26.680
our community and shared belief in its

00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:28.720
extraordinary potential

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I have a set of Camden collector cards

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that Spirit of Camden have created to

00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:34.440
share at any opportunity for each of you

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tonight and as we say at the Spirit of

00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.119
Camden Camden Village a place like no

00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.640
other this close to Metropolitan Sydney

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it's a getaway not too far away thank

00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.519
you that was fantastic thank you Melissa

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thank you I'll now ask our fifth speaker

00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.039
this evening Mrs Roma Dickens who will

00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.559
be speaking on item 15 notice of motion

00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.400
development in Camden LGA and Mrs

00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.559
Dickens will be speaking for the

00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:19.960
recommendation is it that button oh it's

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on oh okay  good evening all  my

00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:26.880
name is Roma Dickens and I live in

00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.240
nellan Vale I'm thankful for the

00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.279
opportunity tonight  to speak in

00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.440
support of councelor McLean's notice of

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motion which asks Council to acknowledge

00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.839
and recognize the significant impacts

00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.799
that continuing infield development has

00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.480
on existing neighborhoods in

00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.119
Camden extraordinary population growth

00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.440
in Camden during the past decade and a

00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.920
continuing need to meet population

00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.880
targets has placed enormous pressure 

00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.039
on this Council to ensure provision of

00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.319
necessary services keeps Pace with

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.519
development infield development typ

00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.359
typically defined as the development of

00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.480
underutilized or vacant land in existing

00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.039
urban areas without doubt has a role to

00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.039
play it can help limit urban sprawl by

00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.279
increasing density near existing

00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:22.200
resources and

00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.160
infrastructure the challenge for

00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:27.400
planners is to provide good infield

00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.480
development that does not negatively

00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:31.960
impact the amenity or lifestyles of

00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.039
residents in established

00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.119
neighborhoods the state government has

00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.440
introduced various planning instrents

00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.039
to facilitate infield developments in

00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:43.440
established

00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.720
communities one of these or part of SE

00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.279
17  2017 encouraged the integration of

00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.519
child care centers into low density

00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.960
residential areas and as a result  new

00:29:58.039 --> 00:29:59.920
nerous centers across Sydney have been

00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.160
approved in inappropriate residential

00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.200
locations resulting in a host of

00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.200
problems for neighboring

00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:09.519
residents this was a planning mistake

00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:13.400
and an example of poor infield

00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:15.799
development the New South Wales Child

00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.519
Care planning guideline adopted in

00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.519
2021 attempts to rectify this and

00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.039
emphasizes that consent authorities must

00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.480
also ensure such centers are attractive

00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:28.680
building

00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:31.519
sympathetic to the street scape and

00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.039
appropriate for the setting while

00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.920
minimizing any adverse effects on

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.480
surrounding

00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.839
areas  Council right now is assessing

00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.480
a DA for a large twostory Child Care

00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.119
Center complete with underground

00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.000
basement parking close to my home that

00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.279
fails utterly to meet the criteria and

00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:52.319
objectives of the New South Wales Child

00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.160
Care planning guidelines and if approved

00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.480
will definitely be an example of or in

00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:00.000
field

00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.240
development dick I'll just caution you

00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.279
not to refer to any specific development

00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.880
applications currently in assessment

00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:12.759
thank you okay yep I can do that

00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.839


00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.960
 okay

00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:30.319
 it will be diff   okay M we'll

00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:31.799
give you some additional time so if you

00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:33.720
want to gather your thoughts we'll wait

00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:35.920
don't don't worry that's fine that's

00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.799
fine  okay 

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Das  def defective da infield

00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.119
development

00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:51.039
Das  and 

00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.680
other child care

00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.440
centers

00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.839
 

00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:03.519
cause broad Community

00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:05.559
opposition typically not because

00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.559
residents are opposed to infield

00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.519
development projects or Child Care

00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:12.839
Centers but because the proposed

00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.839
location and and design of these centers

00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.160
are patently inappropriate for

00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.960
neighborhood

00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.000
streets approval of such developments

00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:29.799
sets an un fortunate precedent and

00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.319
likely ensures other child care Das are

00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.279
lodged in similarly unsuitable

00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.000
residential locations Council I'll just

00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.240
move in extension can I have a second

00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:42.519
second a councelor Fedeli all those in

00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.480
favor thank

00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.880
you I can't speak for my neighbors but

00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.200
can assure Council that I personally do

00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:55.640
not oppose good infield development and

00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.440
consider  that there

00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.880
are many sites including perhaps my own

00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.839
Street where a small scale commercial

00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.319
Enterprises such as family daycares

00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.519
homebased  hair salons or perhaps even

00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.480
a disability Group home  can operate

00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.920
without issue we already have one in our

00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.599
street  I understand and recognize

00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.400
that housing and services are needed and

00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.160
that established suburbs can assist in

00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.960
accommodating some of that growth it's

00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.480
imperative however that infield

00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.400
development projects add to the amenity

00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.960
and livability of established

00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.599
neighborhoods not detract for them not

00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.680
detract from them and it's for this

00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.559
reason that I implore Council

00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.559
unanimously approve councilor McLean's

00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.079
notice of motion tonight regarding

00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.960
development in Cam and LGA and the

00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:59.359
significant impacts that INF development

00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:01.920
can have on existing

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.480
communities thank you for your time and

00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.720
allowing me to address the council to

00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.559
tonight I need I need some water good

00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.679
thank you so much Mrs Jens for your time

00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.880
this evening can I just remind you that

00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.360
 it would be very very valuable for

00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.159
you to  apply to submit to speak to

00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.840
the planning panel when  the matter

00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.599
that you're referring to comes up to the

00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.840
planning panel for  for their consent

00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.079
or their  decision making on that

00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.239
particular matter so  we'll leave it

00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:36.519
at that thank you I know it's

00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.119
complicated but  thank you for 

00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.840
readjusting your  notes this evening

00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.039
to accommodate our rules and guidelines

00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:48.559
thank you thank you very

00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.000
much now councilors we do have one

00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:52.639
tentative speaker which I would like to

00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.840
hear  this evening  it's Mrs Carol

00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.599
bkin I hope I got that right  on

00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.800
behalf of the Camden W and Deli Wier

00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.159
caribbe Network  Mrs lekin will be

00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.480
speaking on item 16 notice of motion

00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.679
housing needs and should be speaking for

00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.480
the recommendation your time will start

00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.719
when  you begin thank you Madame Mayor

00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.440
 Madame Mayor counselors Council

00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.280
executive and officers and those present

00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.480
in the public Gallery thank you for the

00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:23.119
opportunity to speak for the

00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.559
recommendation notice a motion housing

00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.400
need I thank councelor MCL for raising

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.280
this issue in response to his concerns

00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.280
for members of our community who are

00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.440
struggling to secure suitable affordable

00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:36.360
homes for rental and for those

00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.280
experiencing homelessness in its many

00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.360
forms my name is Carol vkin I'm also a

00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.800
member of Camden wall andilly Wier Carby

00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.000
Network where a local group of Sydney

00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:47.880
Alliance who advocates for a more fair

00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.159
and just Society in the greater Sydney

00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.400
area I wanted to raise a couple of

00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.039
matters which are specifically relevant

00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:55.679
to the local

00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.000
community firstly CW W WN acknowledges

00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:00.840
that those Camden residents who hold

00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:02.800
mortgages may be under stress due to

00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.760
interest rate Rises we know that many

00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.960
local support agencies such as Vinnie's

00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.599
Outreach Cottage turning point and Big

00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.519
Yellow brella attest to the big

00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.039
increase in demand for food support as

00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.079
individuals and families struggle to

00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.039
feed themselves and their children while

00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.239
paying their mortgages or rent and other

00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.840
bills those Services as well as others

00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.840
at the cold face of the housing crisis

00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.519
in the local area are under overwhelming

00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:30.239
pressure and with people Desperately

00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.360
Seeking help but unable to get the help

00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.119
they need secondly it's important to

00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:36.880
State the need for additional crisis

00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.599
accommodation in this LGA additional

00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:41.679
women's shelters a youth Refuge as

00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.599
advocated for by MacArthur homelessness

00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.599
steering committee and general crisis

00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.519
accommodation are all needed at present

00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.599
those experiencing homelessness or those

00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.760
at risk of homelessness maybe sleeping

00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.679
in cars or couch surfing or staying with

00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.519
friends in overcrowded accommodations

00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.480
once they access Services they're often

00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.239
directed out of area to Campell toown

00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.039
Blue Mountains or Woolen gong or even

00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.440
further a field taking them out of reach

00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:07.840
of their support

00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.360
networks finally we recognize that

00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:11.800
social housing is one of the best

00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.559
solutions for increasing the supply of

00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.159
housing for the most vulnerable in our

00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.400
community and we appreciate the federal

00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:18.920
and state government's commitments to

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.719
increasing the supply of social homes

00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.920
over the coming years in Camden we

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.760
believe in part due to the advocacy of

00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.960
cww at a state level

00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.599
we were pleased to learn in July 24 that

00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:32.119
the land surrounding the old nurses

00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.400
quarters opposite Camden hospital will

00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.440
be used to build a number of social or

00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.239
affordable housing units our recent

00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.199
inquiries of Home New South Wales have

00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.400
revealed that a further 30 new homes

00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.239
will result from Redevelopment of social

00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.000
housing in barang Crescent Elders Le and

00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:49.800
in kellway Avenue South

00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.079
Camden in addition affordable long-term

00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:55.000
rental housing is needed to retain

00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.920
essential workers in this area teachers

00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.039
child care workers nurses and other

00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.679
health staff as well as emergency

00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:03.960
workers who want to live and work in the

00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.440
area the provision of a mandated

00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:08.079
percentage of affordable homes to be

00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:09.679
built by developers could be one

00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:11.519
solution to keep such workers living and

00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:13.920
working in Camden

00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.800
LGA so in conclusion I note there's been

00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:18.679
a recent push for local governments to

00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:20.519
take a more active role within their

00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.599
mandate in addressing the housing crisis

00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.320
across New South Wales this for as

00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:27.599
proposed by councilor McLean is an IDE

00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.320
opportunity to for Council to show

00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.920
leadership on this issue and facilitate

00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.079
all local stakeholders including

00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:35.880
community members in developing

00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.000
solutions to this issue in the Camden

00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.639
area thank you very

00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.159
much thank you very much Mrs

00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.519
fkin  I'd like to thank all of our

00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.079
public address speakers this evening 

00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.039
can I have a moover and second that the

00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.599
public addresses been noted  moved

00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:55.559
councelor Rahman second to councelor

00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.280
Fedeli all those in favor

00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.239
unanimous thank

00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.599
you confirmation of minutes the

00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.360
recommendation is on page 13 that the

00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.360
minutes of the ordinary meeting held on

00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.679
the 12th of November 2024 copies of

00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.719
which have been circulated be confirmed

00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.559
 and adopted moved counselor Fedeli

00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.079
seconded councelor quel councilor

00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:23.239
Fedeli would you like to speak to the

00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.119
minutes with that I put the

00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:26.639
recommendation forward all those in

00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.000
favor

00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.039
unanimous thank

00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.719
you councilors we have one Merl minute

00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:35.840
this

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:40.320
evening Marl minute Camden's Christmas

00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:42.800
celebrations as we approach the end of

00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.960
another remarkable year in Camden I'm

00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.920
delighted to reflect on the festive

00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.280
season's highlights which truly captured

00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.719
the spirit of our of our

00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.360
community this year the Camden Christmas

00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.639
festival returned with a spectacular

00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:01.079
success on Saturday the 23rd of November

00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:03.800
with more than 20,000 residents in

00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.880
attendance our goal Street came alive

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.719
with festive cheer family fun and an

00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:11.400
incredible array of

00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.199
activities there were Smiles all around

00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.639
not just from me particularly when it

00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.519
came to the lighting of our wonderful

00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.639
Christmas tree live performances and

00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.400
kids activities  capped the night off

00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.800
as well I extend my heartfelt thanks to

00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.800
our event sponsors I plaster and West

00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.000
group MacArthur and to the New South

00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:34.760
Wales government for supporting this

00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:36.960
much loved Cam and

00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.760
tradition the or Park Christmas concert

00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.679
on Sunday the 1st of December was

00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.320
another shining example of our community

00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:45.840
coming together to

00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.639
celebrate the evening at the or Park

00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.159
Civic Precinct featured amazing

00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.880
performances engaging workshops and

00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.519
festive markets all capped off with the

00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.440
lighting of of our Christmas tree the

00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.880
event was a fantastic way to usher in

00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.719
December and reminded us of the

00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.639
importance of connection and joy during

00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.760
the holiday season our Mayor's Christmas

00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.360
card competition this year showcased

00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.199
immense Talent of our young

00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.320
artists congratulations to Ivy Stewart

00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.000
from Camden public school and Sarah

00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.760
sharp from St Justin's Catholic parish

00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:26.679
primary school for their stunning

00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.559
winning designs your creativity will

00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.840
bring smiles to everyone who receives

00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.920
these cards I was pleased to be joined

00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.039
by Ivy and Sarah for the lighting of the

00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:42.280
trees at both Camden and or Park finally

00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.840
the Mayor's Christmas Giving Tree appeal

00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.719
returned again this year with donations

00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.280
supporting big yellow brellas vital

00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:51.519
work in our

00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.000
community thanks to the generosity of

00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:56.719
Camden's residents many toys and food

00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.840
hampers will bring hope and joy to

00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:00.559
families in need this

00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:03.239
Christmas this appeal is a reminder of

00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.760
the compassion and kindness that make CA

00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.559
that makes Camden such a special place

00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.880
to all of our wonderful staff volunteers

00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.719
performers sponsors and residents who

00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:17.599
contributed to these events and

00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.159
initiatives I thank you together we have

00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.639
made this festive season one to remember

00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.079
I wish everyone in Camden a very merried

00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.079
Merry Christmas and a safe and happy New

00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.679
Year councilors the recommendation is

00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.440
that Council note the information are

00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.639
there any speakers to the meril

00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.840
minute with that I put the meril minute

00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:41.360
forward all those in

00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:45.360
favor unanimous thank

00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.559
you on to item one post public

00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:53.760
exhibition Ponder Cherry Precinct

00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:55.239
planning

00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.639
proposal there is a recommend a on page

00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.039
28 the planning proposal seeks to reone

00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:04.519
ponder Cherry to facilitate a new Urban

00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.079
Precinct comprising up to

00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:11.400
2,850 dwellings it will include a lake a

00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:13.719
district size Sports facility public

00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.599
kindergarten to year 6 and private

00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.719
kindergarten to year 12 school

00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.079
integrated neighborhood and Community

00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.119
Center  public open space repairing

00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.320
corridors pedestrian foot paths and

00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.960
cycleways the proposal also seeks to

00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:32.960
rezone a portion of the land within the

00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.360
or Park Precinct where it interfaces

00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:37.800
with P Ponder Cherry  do I have a

00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.840
mover for this

00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.400
item moved councilor Rahman seconded

00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.800
councelor Fedeli  councilor Rahman are

00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.119
you moving this item in line with the

00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.000
office officers

00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.639
recommendation yes madame May okay would

00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.159
you like to speak to the recommendation

00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.159
no madame May thank you are there any

00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:58.639
speakers

00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.559
for again councelor

00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.760
fideli thank you Madame Mayor  as was

00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.360
saying we need more houses as the

00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.719
speaker public speaker had also noted

00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.199
this was 10 years in making then another

00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.519
6 years to get it there so 16 years is a

00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.719
long time to develop  for our Kem in

00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.119
LGA again we need schools there will be

00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.159
a public school up to year six there'll

00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:29.199
be a private school from kindergarten to

00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.000
year

00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.719
12  there'll be a lake there that 

00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.519
council is  had some issues with but

00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.199
it's all been worked out  more Sports

00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.639
fields which we all know we in great

00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.559
demand for more Sports field and I was

00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.280
happy to hear that it's  going to be

00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.000
bit bigger than do and Reserve so I'm

00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.159
hoping there's  five soccer fields

00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.480
there not

00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.840
two  again a great great job by the

00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:02.480
developer cuz a lot of work a lot of

00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:04.960
work and time goes into getting this

00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.880
right for our community thank

00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.320
you thank you councilor Fedeli are

00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.000
there any other speakers for the

00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.039
recommendation against councelor

00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:18.360
Campbell thank you Madame

00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.920
Mayor I guess we've heard a lot about

00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.239
housing Supply and housing supply for

00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.119
Sydney and as councilor Fedeli said we

00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:28.320
need more for facilities but of course

00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.639
more facilities and more houses can mean

00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.039
where exactly where we started or if not

00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.159
behind now

00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.760
2,850 dwellings with a population

00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.239
increase of between

00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.880
7,840 and

00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:45.559
8,830 is significant and on that housing

00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.039
crisis issue that sounds appealing but

00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:51.480
it's a superficial appeal because we're

00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.960
losing 242 hectares of viable

00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:58.039
agricultural land to have that

00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.519
development and if you are a student of

00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.639
geography or economics even at high

00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:06.880
school you know that there's a

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.599
productive Circle needed to support a

00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.920
city  in terms of food security and

00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.760
minimal transport kilometers for food

00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:18.679
supply and indeed the health benefits of

00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.480
fresh food so when you seem to gain on

00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.440
one hand you can actually lose on the

00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.840
other now we had 29 submissions 14 from

00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.159
from the community minus one leaves only

00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.440
13 submissions and it seemed the

00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.079
majority of those were concerned about

00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:34.360
whether we were going to call the place

00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.960
ponderer or something else

00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.400
so I commend those few very few

00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:43.679
submissions that actually looked beyond

00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.119
the obvious to  to deal with some of

00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:49.679
the issues that this sort of development

00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.039
is bringing for the existing and indeed

00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.719
the future community

00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.920
15 public authorities  put in a

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.000
submission not the police there are

00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.679
thousands of of people under staffed so

00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.000
that's probably  understandable there

00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.800
was no one to do the work the notion

00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:13.199
that these will be affordable houses and

00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.119
provide accommodation for workers at the

00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.320
anticipated employment Boom at the

00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:20.000
airport is

00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.599
debatable we had no submissions  on

00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.280
the initial  public exhibition of this

00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.920
 from surrounding landholders who may

00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.079
be opposing but then I wonder were there

00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.199
any surrounding landh holders who

00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.960
weren't actually the proposing

00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.960
developers proposing

00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:44.159
piter  we we look

00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.639
at issues

00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:50.719
here like

00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:54.000
livability and amongst that there's

00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:56.480
issues of accessibility There's issues

00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.159
of air quality there's Health Services

00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.400
there's Educational Services and these

00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.320
are the real things that determine

00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:07.360
livability of an area my concerns  are

00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.480
around the proximity of the transgrid

00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.719
overhead overhead transmission line the

00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:14.800
southwestern Sydney local health

00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.800
district still suggesting that existing

00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.280
hospitals can accommodate the increase

00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.519
in population that we have had and will

00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.840
have they were saying Liverpool could

00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:26.920
cope in the year 2000 and now they've

00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.679
added penth in and I don't believe that

00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.880
either of them can cope resilience

00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:34.519
Reliance on the new South Wes Department

00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:36.519
of Education guidelines is rather

00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.280
foolish because we've only just updated

00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:43.199
that to 2021 cons  census figures and

00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:46.159
that's an age ago in terms of population

00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:49.679
increases in the area suggesting 1 K to

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.199
six public primary school and 1 K to 12

00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.239
 parochial private school with no High

00:48:56.320 --> 00:49:00.559
School site is just laughable the claim

00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:04.400
is that existing facilities can cope 

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:08.159
the statement  basically that  this

00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.519
is the case that the existing sites can

00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:12.480
cope Mak makes one wonder where the hell

00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:16.119
they are is it in fact Orin Park well no

00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:18.360
oops that one's overcrowded already it's

00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.679
Chalker Gregory Hills well that's a

00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:22.599
double ORS for the Department of

00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:24.760
Education because they didn't even

00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:26.960
bother to secure a High School site

00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.039
there so the the provision of the high

00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:33.719
school which is well pasted its its 

00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.239
its need is questionable  I guess the

00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:38.960
lesson from history there is that it

00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.639
repeats itself when  people who don't

00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.280
learn the lessons of History are in

00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.960
charge and two hectares for a local

00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.840
Primary School well that's below what

00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.800
you would anticipate as standards in the

00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.559
third world we should be able to do

00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:54.840
better than this for the future

00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.239
generation

00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.360
there is a green life resources recovery

00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:01.840
facility there which has been

00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.760
established since April

00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:08.960
1987 and that raises the issue of

00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:14.320
potential  smell odor in the area but

00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.400
it also on the other side of that

00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.800
balance is if that site can't remain

00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:20.800
there where is it going to where is it

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.679
going to relocate and again economically

00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.679
the more the that's something that's

00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:29.800
necessary and the more you actually add

00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:31.880
kilometer mileage coun that's your 4

00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.039
minutes thank you I'll ask if there are

00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.039
any other speakers

00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:39.599
for one EXT I had five is that your

00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:43.000
warning one minute warning counc you got

00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:44.639
one minute it mightn't like what I'm

00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.119
saying but I think it's necessary to

00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.400
hear it okay so that is 5 minutes to

00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.679
confirm that's 5

00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.079
minutes well did we hear the warning

00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.320
then obviously you didn't

00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.039
I I'll ask are there any other speakers

00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:03.880
for the

00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.440
motion against the

00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:11.079
motion  councelor Ryman would you like

00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.960
a write of

00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.320
reply we should actually go for vote

00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:20.880
Madame May okay no worries councel Rahman

00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.239
with that I put the motion forward 

00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:25.480
those in

00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.280
favor councelor Rahman councelor quinel

00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.000
councelor ferreri councelor sari

00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:33.760
councelor s h sorry councelor Fedeli

00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.239
and councelor Ashley Kagney  those

00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.719
against councilor Campbell councelor

00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.559
McLean and councelor sui the motion is

00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:49.519
carried on to item two pre-public

00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.599
exhibition draft project nuran vision

00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:54.159
and action

00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:58.400
plan  councilors this is about a draft

00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.840
plan it's a part of a program of work

00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.840
undertaken to recognize and strengthen

00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:07.119
Nan's role as as a strategic Center the

00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.880
draft plan is informed by community and

00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:11.719
stakeholder feedback and includes a

00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:13.679
draft vision and actions required to

00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:14.760
deliver the

00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.519
vision  do I have a mover of this

00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:23.039
item moved councelor Fedeli seconded

00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.639
councelor Ferreri councelor fideli would

00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.480
you like to speak to the motion  no

00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:29.719
thank you Madame Mayor we did a a qu bit

00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.280
of workshop and briefing on this matter

00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.559
and  waiting for feedback from the

00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:37.760
community thank you councelor are there

00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.760
any other speakers for the

00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.239
motion against the

00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.280
motion do we have any questions with

00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:48.039
that I put the motion forward all those

00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:48.960
in

00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.920
favor unanimous thank

00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.840
you on to item three now I'm aware that

00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:58.320
there'll be some counselors that will

00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.079
vacate the chamber at this time so we'll

00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:01.960
wait for that to

00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.760
occur item three Community grants 2024

00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:11.119
25  so in terms of this item a total

00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:14.199
of 59 applications have been received

00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.079
across the two Grant

00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.760
categories the applications include a

00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:21.360
variety of programs projects and events

00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:23.159
that will benefit The Wider Kempton

00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.119
community and provide assistance to a

00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.599
range of community organ organizations

00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.960
sporting and cultural

00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.360
groups do I have a mover of this item

00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.519
moved councelor mle second and councelor

00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.519
Ferreri councelor

00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:48.320
McLean  thanks Madam Mayor  yeah very

00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.039
happy to support the recommendation we

00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.880
we did receive a  I guess you could

00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:55.920
call it an extensive detailed briefing

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.760
on this a couple of weeks ago  where

00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.280
we spoke about it in a lot of detail 

00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.199
I do point out that  there's it's good

00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.880
to see a number of new organizations

00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.599
that have applied for Grants and  have

00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.079
been successful or partly successful in

00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.880
their  grants and I also note that

00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.400
there is a  a good strong number of 

00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:21.519
Community

00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.760
Support  and and and social support

00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.840
sort of Grants orientated in up to

00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:30.320
around nearly $40,000 I think it was 

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.159
and it all is within the existing budget

00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:36.320
of council as well so very pleased to

00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:40.639
support are there any speakers for the

00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.559
motion against the motion do we have any

00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:44.880
questions

00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:46.840
councilors with that I put the motion

00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:48.480
forward all those in

00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:52.320
favor unanimous thank you we'll now wait

00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.760
for our counselor colleagues to come

00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.000
back in

00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.679
than

00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.639
we're up to item four acceptance of

00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:47.679
grant funding New South Wales flood

00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.280
plane Management

00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.679
program the grant funding will allow

00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.079
Council to update the upper South Creek

00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.280
flood study this aligns with council's

00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:58.280
flood management goals of ensuring

00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.360
availability of upto-date Flood

00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.480
information for the community and

00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.159
leading in informed decisions in

00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.159
managing and mitigating  flood

00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.480
risks there is a recommendation on page

00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.320
42 do I have a motion

00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.800
councilors councelor

00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:22.840
Fedeli would you like to move the

00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.400
motion as read in as written sorry in

00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.119
the report

00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.400
yes madame Mayor thank you councilor

00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.199
Fedeli are there is there a seconder

00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:34.079
second councilor

00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:36.159
Ferreri councilor Fedeli would you like

00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.000
to speak to the motion  yes madame may

00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:41.599
just always happy and grateful and thank

00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:44.559
you to the staff for any grant funding

00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:47.880
we get  helps us in all ways

00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.199
thanks thank you councelor are there any

00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.119
speakers for the

00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.800
motion against the motion do we have any

00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:57.239
questions

00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:58.639
councelor

00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.679
Campbell  in that particular area

00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:04.639
we've got properties which in recent

00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:06.719
flood times and these haven't been big

00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:09.280
floods by anyone who knows flooding in

00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.280
this area standards  we've had

00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.079
properties that are now being flooded

00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:15.800
which have never had water on them

00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:18.880
before so is this actually going to

00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.480
allow for a consideration of why that's

00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.480
happening and possibly stop

00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:27.559
it general manager

00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.440
 I'll refer this question to our

00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.639
director of growth and finance thank you

00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:34.679
 through you general manager the the

00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:36.000
the study will basically look at the

00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.400
different  modeling within the area to

00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:40.719
identify what the change is  once

00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:42.159
we've identified what that change is

00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:43.920
we'll look at the  the reasons why

00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.159
that might have changed it might have

00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.400
been the underlying data that we used to

00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:48.920
generate the models that might have

00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.000
created that change but once we've done

00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:52.840
the study we'll then be able to identify

00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:54.679
where that change has occurred and what

00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.960
we can do to mitigate against it

00:57:58.039 --> 00:57:59.800
councelor Campbell just to clarify we

00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:02.239
will be going to the residents who are

00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.199
making these complaints about water on

00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:07.159
their property where it hasn't gone

00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.719
before with within this cman yes we will

00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:11.840
as part of the study thank

00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:14.039
you are there any further questions

00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.400
councilors councelor McLean  thanks

00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.320
Madame Mayor just  just further to

00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:21.679
that question  I'm under the

00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.639
assption that that will it'll be some

00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:25.000
time before it comes back to a council

00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:26.920
briefing but just confirm that that will

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.199
indeed take place Mr general manager

00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:31.719
again through to our director of growth

00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:33.760
and finance through your general manager

00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.199
yes it will come through a future

00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.679
Council

00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:41.920
briefing are there any further questions

00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.920
councilors with that I put the motion

00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:45.480
forward all those in

00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.360
favor unanimous thank

00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.800
you on to item five acceptance of grant

00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.800
funding clubs grants three

00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:59.079
 in this item Council has been

00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.000
successful in its application to the New

00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:03.000
South Wales office of responsible

00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:04.519
gamblings

00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:09.039
20123 Club clubs Club grants Category 3

00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:10.679
infrastructure grants Sport and

00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:14.400
Recreation for 300,000 to contribute to

00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.639
sports field Improvement works at Bel

00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:19.840
guy Reserve in Camden  councilors do I

00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:21.159
have a

00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.920
motion councelor

00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.800
Rahman are you happy to move

00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.760
what is written in the office's report

00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:32.280
yes madame Mayor please thank you do we

00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:35.920
have a secondar seconded councilor

00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.960
Fedeli councilor ramman would you like

00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:40.840
to speak to the motion no Madam thank

00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:43.760
you are there any speakers for the

00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.960
motion against the motion do we have any

00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.840
questions councilor

00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.639
Campell given all of the  various

00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:55.960
connections that I had with item three I

00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:58.719
I've overlooked the fact that I was a

00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.639
longtime patron of the Falcons  I'm

01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:05.880
not now  if you would prefer I mean

01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:07.360
I'm happy to place that on the public

01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.840
record I'm not now I do not don't have

01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:13.880
that role but  I can not vote if that

01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:16.320
would be

01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:21.199
appropriate Mr general manager 

01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.159
councelor that's a matter for you to

01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:26.280
determine  whether you'd wish to at

01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:29.960
this point declare that  interest and

01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.760
and how you wish to manage that is is up

01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:35.760
to you to decide well I decide it's not

01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:37.480
significant because I don't want to walk

01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.079
outside

01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:44.920
again thank you councelor  are there

01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.519
any other

01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.000
questions  with that I put the motion

01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:53.039
forward all those in

01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.760
favor  councelor McLean councelor

01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:58.639
 Rahman councelor quel councelor

01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.199
Ferreri councelor Sakari councelor Suri

01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:05.280
councelor fideli councelor Kagney those

01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:07.719
against you

01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:09.760
abstaining well I'm not entitled to

01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.840
abstain I know that if I do abstain 

01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.039
that goes with the status quo so I'll

01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.440
just sit here like a dmy okay okay

01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:22.000
thank you councelor  the motion is

01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:26.360
carried on to item six acceptance of

01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.400
grant funding New South Wales government

01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.239
seniors Festival grants program together

01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:33.159
we shine seniors well-being and

01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:35.199
lifestyle Expo

01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:39.159
2025 there is a recommendation on page

01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:41.599
 45 and

01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:45.639
46 this item  is acknowledging that

01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:48.000
Council has been successful in an

01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:49.599
application for

01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.199
$4,500 excluding GST to deliver the

01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:54.960
together we shine project through the

01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:56.719
New South Wales government senior

01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:58.719
Festival grants

01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.280
program  do I have a

01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:04.760
motion councilor

01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:07.559
McLean  yes madame man happy to support

01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.079
the  will propose a recommendation put

01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:12.519
forward in the papers do we have a

01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.239
seconder council Fedeli councilor McLean

01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:17.360
would you like to speak to the motion 

01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:20.159
yes thank you very happy to support the

01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:23.239
the  motion put forward and it's it's

01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:26.440
a small amount of money but these 

01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:29.880
functions and events and festivals 

01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.960
are run on the the smell of an oily rag

01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.280
 they receive really really high

01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:36.800
participation and

01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.599
engagement  there's there's attendees

01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:42.360
and registrants knocking on the door

01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.159
nearly an hour before the start 

01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:48.199
because of their eager enthusiasm and

01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:50.960
anticipation  and they get so much out

01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.239
of it the the the feedback  that's

01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.599
done  mostly

01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:58.800
 hard copy feedback of by paper

01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.920
surveys is  extremely encouraging with

01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.199
 people making new connections

01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:07.800
improving their health and well-being 

01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:09.519
feeling more connected to their

01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.559
Community  so it's all  nothing but

01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:14.599
really really positive stuff and  and

01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:17.480
loveely to see so very happy to

01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.280
support thank you councelor McLean do I

01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:23.039
have any speakers for the

01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.280
motion councilor Campbell

01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:28.920
I think often we talk about providing

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.239
things for the people at the both ends

01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:33.400
of life in our community but we don't

01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:36.480
often follow through with action just in

01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:39.519
support of what council McLean said it's

01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.360
it's really Pleasant to be able to

01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.280
support a group in the community that

01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.360
actually appreciates the support that

01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.039
they're given  I guess maybe they're

01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:50.079
experienced enough in life to know that

01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.199
you live every day to the full and

01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:53.679
possibly like me they've left their

01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.079
glasses somewhere and  can't see the

01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:57.599
time and they come

01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:00.719
early thank you counselor are there any

01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:03.360
other speakers for the

01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.880
motion against the motion do I have any

01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.840
questions with that I put the motion

01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.039
forward all those in

01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:14.559
favor unanimous thank

01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:18.079
you on to item

01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:20.559
seven acceptance of grand funding

01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:22.599
transport for New South Wales road

01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:26.480
safety program 2025 26

01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:30.480
 the item is on page 47 and

01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.199
48 this item is about Council being

01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:36.000
successful in securing yet another Grant

01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:39.840
 for under the 2025 26 road safety

01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:42.639
program the projects will enhance road

01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:44.960
safety and it is recommended that the

01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.960
grant funding be 

01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:52.480
accepted do I have a motion councilors

01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:53.800
councelor

01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.840
McLean  yes again happy to support the

01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.239
motion as stated in our papers thank you

01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:00.599
council do I have a second there

01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.079
councelor

01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:05.400
Campbell Council

01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.880
McLean thanks Madame Mayor  very pleased

01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:11.880
to support this  grant funding from

01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:14.719
transport for New South Wales  the the

01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:18.360
road safety program  it includes  a

01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:21.000
number of projects six of them in fact

01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:24.239
and they are primarily in relation to

01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:26.559
road crossing accessibil

01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:28.440
 pedestrian access and those sorts of

01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:31.880
things  across our community  very

01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:35.039
very supportive of this  because we do

01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:38.400
know it is obviously a very  well

01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:42.400
needed  I guess  piece of

01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.519
infrastructure or asset in our community

01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.599
to get people from A to B  in in some

01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.000
of these examples it will also get 

01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:52.360
school students from A to B more safely

01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:55.800
as well  so in the true Spirit of the

01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:57.239
the road safety program it's it's

01:05:57.320 --> 01:05:59.840
undoubtedly doing that  I do note

01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:02.960
though that  we we are always in need

01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:05.000
of more of these sorts of facilities and

01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:08.960
crossings  and accessibility so I as

01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:10.719
as probably all of us do I know of a

01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.039
number of other additional key areas

01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:14.800
that I look forward to speaking to staff

01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:16.920
about and hopefully we can  continue

01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.039
to get these included in  future Grant

01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:21.159
programs but very happy to support this

01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:24.119
tonight thank you do I have any speakers

01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:26.480
for the motion councelor

01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.079
quell thank you Madame Mayor  I'd like

01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:31.239
to also lend my support and thank the

01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:33.000
state government for this funding

01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:34.960
particularly Crossings right we always

01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:38.280
need more Crossings in Camden  

01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:40.760
would like to load let my support for

01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:42.239
the  the roundabout and Crossing

01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:45.039
update at rombi Road and Smalls Road

01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.519
grassme  this road is becoming

01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:50.239
increasingly busier particularly with

01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:53.360
ongoing residential development in copy

01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.599
and residents using rombi Road to access

01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:59.119
Camden  there is particular speeding

01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.039
issue along this road we've limited prot

01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:04.599
access  along smalles road towards

01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:06.719
grassme and then Romie road towards

01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.000
Ellis Lane  which is maybe somewh we

01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.760
can  the council can investigate in

01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:16.639
202 2025 thank you m thank you counselor

01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:18.880
are there any other speakers for the

01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:22.880
motion against the motion do we have any

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:24.760
questions with that I put the motion

01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:26.199
forward all those in in

01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:30.119
favor unanimous thank

01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.960
you on to item

01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:38.599
eight like deja vu acceptance of grant

01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:40.880
funding New South Wales reconstructive

01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:42.679
Authority supporting spontaneous

01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:44.119
volunteers

01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:46.559
program  the recommend or the item is

01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:49.480
on page 49 and

01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:52.840
50  this item is about Council

01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:56.840
receiving a grant for 8

01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:00.760
$4,525 excluding GST to deliver The CARE

01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:04.159
program within the camon LGA through the

01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:06.880
program Council aims to enhance the

01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:09.280
capacity and knowledge of spontaneous

01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:12.440
volunteers across the community and

01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:15.280
sector do I have a motion councilors

01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:17.680
councelor Campbell like to move it as

01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:19.800
recommended in the business paper thank

01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:21.439
you councelor do I have a secondar

01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:26.920
councelor quell councelor Campbell

01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.399
in favor of any money that we can get to

01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:32.359
support volunteers I'm not sure about

01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:34.600
the phrase spontaneous volunteers though

01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.800
I sort of thought of you know combustion

01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:39.800
or something like that and and in that

01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:43.680
line too I'm acutely aware of the fact

01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:48.000
that in the bushire disaster of

01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:51.199
2019 and again more recently in the

01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:54.439
floods that Camden has been subjected to

01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:56.359
there have been new nerous members

01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:58.840
individual members of the community and

01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:01.239
Community groups who have wished to

01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:04.239
offer support and have been cut out of

01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:07.119
doing so I'm not sure whether that's an

01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.840
insurance issue or it's a power play or

01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.119
the fact that so much of control of a

01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.960
disaster has been moved out of town I

01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:18.359
suspect its recent flooding further

01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:20.800
north in New South Wales that's LED 

01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:22.680
somebody to wake up to the fact that the

01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.439
community knows itself best and

01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.399
community volunteers are the most

01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:30.680
informed and probably best people to

01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.680
deal with things on the on the ground 

01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:38.000
as far as providing resilience or

01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:39.880
expanding the resilience of those people

01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:41.960
I suspect maybe they a lot of them could

01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:44.039
give the people who are going to do

01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:47.319
these courses a lesson in resilience but

01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:50.079
 that's something that that we'll find

01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:52.680
out as they as we proceed through doing

01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:54.720
the TA courses but anything that

01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:56.880
supports volunteers they are an

01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:59.239
absolutely Priceless asset in the

01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:01.880
community and the knowledge that they

01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:05.279
have of their Community is absolutely

01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:07.960
invaluable we should be exploiting that

01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.840
using that and exploiting that to work

01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.880
out what we're going to do  in pre-

01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:15.560
disaster

01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:17.880
planning well said councelor are there

01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:21.079
any speakers for the

01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:24.600
motion against the motion do we have any

01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:26.039
questions

01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:27.520
with that I put the motion forward all

01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:31.720
those in favor unanimous thank

01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:36.079
you on to item nine acceptance of grant

01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:38.439
funding Department of Home Affairs cyber

01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:41.199
safety awareness support for vulnerable

01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:44.239
groups grant program grants program 

01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:48.479
the item is on page 51 and 52 of our

01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:51.000
business paper this evening

01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:55.399
counselors this item is  that one once

01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:57.159
again we've been successful in an

01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.600
application for a grant of

01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:03.479
$35,000 exclusive GST to deliver the

01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:06.720
2025 cyber Savvy Camden

01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:10.119
program which will be implemented over a

01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:12.880
12-month period councilors do I have a

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.920
motion councelor Campbell I'd like to

01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:17.760
move that the recommendation in the

01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:19.920
business paper become the motion please

01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:21.439
thank you councelor do I have a second

01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:25.920
 councelor Fedeli councelor Campbell

01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:28.640
oh again always happy to receive grant

01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:32.199
funding  in this instance this is

01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:35.319
addressing an issue which is becoming

01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:38.520
increasingly important  the number of

01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:40.600
people who are vulnerable to the

01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:42.920
criminals who are operating in that

01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:47.399
cyers space is staggering  as is the

01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:49.880
degree to which the criminality is

01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:53.760
becoming  more widespread and cleverer

01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:55.960
in inverted commas they're not really CL

01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:58.199
clever they're just horrible people but

01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:01.840
but they're managing to  to infiltrate

01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:03.520
the community and take people's

01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:07.279
hard-earned savings off them I guess in

01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:09.079
relation to those who

01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:13.119
renue I I wonder if we could  actually

01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.039
do something about the fact that the Do

01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.479
Not Call register which used to exclude

01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.079
people ringing you up at home is

01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:23.479
something that you only go on to for 2

01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:25.800
years and then the ass assion is that

01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:27.680
you mustn't want it anymore so you get

01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:29.560
taken off where I would have thought

01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.399
anyone with more than half a brain cell

01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:32.720
would have realized that if you went

01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:34.720
onto it you should stay on it unless you

01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:37.039
took yourself off it but that's that's

01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:39.239
one of the issues  about the people

01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:41.920
who ring you up all the time and  try

01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.079
to present you with all sorts of of

01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.359
things let alone the ones who do it do

01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:47.479
it

01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:49.479
online

01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.159
 the number of as I said vulnerable

01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:53.960
people who have been taken down I I read

01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:56.159
somewhere recently that Australians are

01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:57.479
the

01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:01.479
most prayed upon shall we say  nation

01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:03.439
in the world in this regard now that

01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:05.520
probably means we're a little bit too

01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:08.039
kind and considerate for our own good we

01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:09.439
probably should be mindful of what

01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:11.319
Shakespeare said in Hamlet in act 3

01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:13.319
scene 3 line

01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:17.680
78  and the quotation is

01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:21.359
no thank you councelor do I have any

01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:25.199
speakers for the motion councelor McLean

01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.439
thanks  Madame Mayor happy to of

01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.760
course support this  grant funding for

01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:34.479
$335,000  which is  the the funds in

01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:36.520
entirety without being having to be

01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:40.640
matched  the i i notic that there's a

01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:43.520
a key focus on  a number of different

01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.000
Community areas  culturally and

01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:47.319
linguistically

01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:51.520
diverse  groups with disabilities and

01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:53.640
 and seniors  which is all very very

01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:55.279
important and very very pleas pleasing

01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:56.880
to see although makes it quite a

01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:59.199
challenge because they're all quite

01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.199
diverse and different  within

01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:03.880
themselves  I do note though that we

01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.880
we may want to consider looking at 

01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:08.439
young people as well which all of a

01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.760
sudden does sound  unusual because 

01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:13.800
they're far more across technology than

01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:16.760
 than than definitely myself  but I

01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:18.800
am familiar that these groups are being

01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:22.760
targeted as Gateway access to  adults

01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:25.880
and  Guardians and parents so that is

01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:29.399
certainly a a growing area of cyber risk

01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.239
 so perhaps we might  consider that

01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:35.760
as as a as a an introductory opportunity

01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:38.600
 to to build on in the future thank

01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:41.000
you thank you councelor are there any

01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:44.399
speakers any other speakers for the

01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:47.840
motion against do we have any

01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:49.760
questions with that I put the motion

01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.800
forward all those in favor unanimous

01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:56.079
thank you

01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:00.039
on to item 10 investment monies

01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.880
October

01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:08.520
2024 there is a  the item is on page

01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:12.720
53 of the business

01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.800
paper  this item is about the fact

01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:17.920
that we have completed our disclosures

01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:20.159
of Interest returns and they have been

01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:25.079
lodged by  members of the clpp and new

01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:27.159
elected councilors and they have all

01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:31.239
been tabled do we have a move of this

01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:34.119
item councelor

01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:36.640
Campbell as per the recommendation thank

01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.920
you councelor do I have a second

01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:40.760
councelor Ferreri councelor

01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:44.319
Campbell I think this one's

01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:46.640
self-explanatory sorry oh sorry Miss

01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:47.880
item

01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:51.560
10 yeah sorry yeah sorry no I'm reading

01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:55.039
one and

01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:57.319
we'll go back I've got one page on 10

01:15:57.399 --> 01:15:59.159
and I've got one page on 11 all over the

01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:01.600
shop  sorry counselors we'll go back

01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:04.680
to item 10 investment monies October

01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:07.319
2024 there is

01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:10.520
a recommendation on page

01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:12.560
53 councilor Campbell are you still

01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:13.680
happy to

01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:15.920
move councelor ferar are you still happy

01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.680
to Second do I have any speakers for

01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:23.920
against do we have any councel  McLean I

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:26.319
just wanted to speak for this 

01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:28.319
ordinary item 10 Madame Mayor and

01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:29.560
support the

01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:32.359
recommendation  it it highlights quite

01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:36.640
a positive increase on the  well on

01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.119
the October Investments  of which

01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:41.560
Council invests on behalf of the

01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:45.159
community  The Benchmark 4.5% and 

01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:48.640
we're well and truly above that at 5.1%

01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:52.000
which is a a healthy Improvement roughly

01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.000
speaking that's probably around 133%

01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:55.479
above benchmark

01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.520
 so very important to see and happy to

01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:00.560
support thank you councelor are there

01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:03.079
any other speakers for the motion

01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:05.000
against the motion do we have any

01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:06.880
questions with that I put the motion

01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:09.880
forward all those in favor unanimous

01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:12.920
thank you now we're up to item 11

01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.800
disclosure of Interest

01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.960
hey absolutely  would you like to move

01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:21.239
it as recommended by the the officers

01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:24.000
wonderful do I have a seconder please

01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:26.079
second councelor forr again let's just

01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:28.920
keep keep it going councelor Campbell

01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:30.319
would you like to speak to the motion I

01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:32.079
think this one's self-explanatory thank

01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:33.560
you thank you councel are there any

01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:35.760
speakers for the motion against the

01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:37.840
motion do we have any questions with

01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:39.239
that I put the motion forward all those

01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:43.600
in favor unanimous thank

01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:49.359
you okay item 12 minutes to the 21

01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.199
October 2024 audit risk and Improvement

01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:55.199
committee me meeting the item is is on

01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:57.840
page 56 of the business paper and there

01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:00.600
is a recommendation on page

01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:03.439
57  the audit risk and Improvement

01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:05.319
committee plays an important role as all

01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:07.800
of us councilors are already aware in

01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:09.720
supporting the governance framework of

01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:12.840
council reporting the minutes or from 

01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:14.840
committee meetings keeps Council

01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:17.199
informed  of the outcomes of those

01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:20.239
meetings and they are submitted for

01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:23.720
information  do I have a motion please

01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:26.239
councilor Fedeli

01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:27.800
would you like to move the motion as

01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.000
recommended by the offices yes madame

01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:31.640
Mayor thank you councilor Fedeli do I

01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:32.720
have a

01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:35.000
secondar councelor quinel councelor

01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:36.239
Fedeli would you like to speak to the

01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:38.479
motion fine to have the note it noted

01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:40.479
the minutes noted thank you councelor

01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:43.039
are there any speakers for the

01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:45.119
recommendation are there any speakers

01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:48.000
against the motion any questions would

01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:49.319
that I put the motion forward all those

01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:50.479
in

01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:55.399
favor unanimous thank you

01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:59.000
all right on to item 13 delegations to

01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:01.439
the Mayor Christmas New Year recess

01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:05.600
period the item is on page 58 of our

01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:07.319
business paper and there is a

01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:11.439
recommendation on page 59 council is

01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:13.439
requested to delegate to delegate

01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:15.359
authority to the Mayor and deputy Mayor

01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:17.439
in the absence of the Mayor to make

01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:19.439
decisions on urgent matters during the

01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:22.359
recess period from 11 December

01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:26.479
2024 until the 11th of Fe February 2025

01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:30.840
as provided under sections 226 and 377

01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:34.560
of the ACT councilors do I have a motion

01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:36.760
councilor Rahman would you like to move

01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:39.239
the motion as recommended by the offices

01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:41.359
yes  Madame Mayor thank you thank you

01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:43.880
councelor are there do I have a second

01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:47.840
councelor McLean councelor Rahman would you

01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:49.840
like to speak to the motion no thank you

01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.199
mam yeah do we have any speakers for the

01:19:52.279 --> 01:19:55.239
re  the motion against the motion

01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:57.319
do we have any questions with that I put

01:19:57.399 --> 01:19:59.119
it forward all those in

01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:03.039
favor unanimous thank

01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:09.520
you okay on to item 14 notice of motion

01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:13.159
of recision notice of motion of recision

01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:16.039
 of item 14 Place naming proposal

01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:18.840
suburb

01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.119
Barker  counselors we'll begin with

01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:25.039
the recision motion itself

01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:26.640
is there a counselor that would like to

01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:29.680
move the recision motion councelor

01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.479
Campbell are you happy to move it as

01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:33.880
recommended in the

01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:36.600
paper yes madame May thank you counselor

01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:38.800
do I have a second ey M councelor McLean

01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:40.439
thank you would you like to speak to the

01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:42.560
recision motion councelor

01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:46.239
Campbell briefly  when this item came

01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:49.640
up ordinary item number

01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:52.640
5824 on the 11th of the 11th I confess

01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:55.359
to being somewhat surprised and I also

01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:58.600
confess to being somewhat amused by our

01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:01.279
about face and I acknowledge that that

01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:04.520
was totally inappropriate to be amused

01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:07.960
because it was a very important issue we

01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:12.159
need to acknowledge here that we

01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:13.760
completely

01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:17.479
deviated from what was the procedure

01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:22.079
that Council has followed in the past 

01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:24.800
we can't afford to be inconsistent and

01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:28.279
essentially unfair if we want to develop

01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:30.880
some sort of parameters for naming other

01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:33.359
than occasionally cracking a bit of a

01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:35.319
laugh and scoffing at some of the names

01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:37.319
that are put forward usually for streets

01:21:37.399 --> 01:21:39.279
though never I can't ever recall one for

01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:42.119
a suburb  then we need to develop

01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:45.199
those parameters possibly even a policy

01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:47.119
that is out there that goes out on

01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:49.039
public exhibition that comes back that's

01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:50.960
accepted by Council so that everybody

01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:53.840
knows exactly where they stand you can't

01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:56.600
go around moving the goalposts when

01:21:56.680 --> 01:21:57.960
people don't know that you're going to

01:21:58.039 --> 01:21:59.600
not only move the goal post you're going

01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:02.239
to crash them and bomb the whole field

01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:06.319
as well so if councilors could see  it

01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:09.279
fit to support the recision motion when

01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:11.439
that is passed then we will revert to

01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:17.479
the motion  that was put on arm Mr to

01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:20.920
St thank you councelor Campbell are

01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:23.399
there any speakers for the recision

01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:25.079
motion

01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:27.840
councilor McLean  thanks Madame Mayor

01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.800
just quickly the key area that I'd

01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:32.600
certainly like to investigate in the

01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:38.760
future  we is how we  particularly

01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:40.600
in relation to street names  and

01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:42.640
potentially future suburbs as well

01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:44.680
engage the community in that process

01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:48.159
right from the start  and it's it's

01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:50.560
not that they aren't able to be engaged

01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:52.720
at the moment it's about how we try and

01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:55.000
engage them a little bit further so

01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.479
 I'd be very clean to explore that 

01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.399
a lot more  wholesomely in the future

01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:04.119
and see how we can  try and bring

01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:06.039
about some stronger levels of Engagement

01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:07.920
there thank

01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:10.600
you turn my mic off thank you councel

01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:13.039
McLean are there any other speakers for

01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:14.600
the recision

01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:17.399
motion against the recision motion

01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:18.720
councelor

01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.199
quinel thank you Madame Mayor  firstly

01:23:21.279 --> 01:23:23.479
I just wish to thank Mr Trevor Jensen

01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:25.039
for his address

01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:28.479
tonight  but I do stand by my original

01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:31.159
comments at the last council meeting 

01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:32.000
that in

01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:34.359
2024 I feel that it is no longer

01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:37.000
appropriate to name suburbs after

01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:39.640
Colonial landowners who died 175 years

01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.279
ago no matter that tie to

01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:45.119
geography  if that is unprecedented as

01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:47.760
note noted in the recession motion then

01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.159
it's fine I'm happy to I'm happy to

01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:52.399
stand behind  if I had had an

01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:54.840
opportunity to review the research noted

01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:57.479
in the motion  I would have suggested

01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:00.479
names perhaps as former cam RSL

01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:02.720
servicemen and women perhaps recipients

01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:05.600
of the Victoria Cross or former local

01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:09.439
MPS such as Liz conahan who I formed was

01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:12.920
much loved names usually last

01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:14.960
forever  I don't think a really look

01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:17.079
into this is that Earth shuttering a

01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:19.560
suggestion and hence do not support this

01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:22.640
 motion thank you thank you councelor

01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:24.479
Cornell are there any other speakers is

01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:25.840
for the

01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.239
motion against the

01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:31.239
motion Okay C councils I'll just at this

01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:33.239
point I just want to make it very clear

01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:34.880
because it's not actually often that we

01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.279
see a recision motion  enter this

01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:40.039
chamber I'm making it very clear that we

01:24:40.119 --> 01:24:43.319
right now will be taking a vote  after

01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:46.560
 councilor Campbell's WR of reply 

01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:51.239
we will be taking a vote on the

01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:56.359
recision of the  minute number

01:24:56.439 --> 01:25:01.439
o58 of 24 from the 11 November 2024

01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:03.720
meeting so that is what we'll be voting

01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:05.880
on  councilor Campbell would you like

01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:07.199
a write of

01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:11.479
reply just to say that  the notion of

01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:12.479
it being

01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:14.520
unprecedented relate the comment about

01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:16.760
it being unprecedented related to the

01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:19.199
way that this was done counselors had

01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:22.039
the benefit of a full briefing on the

01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:24.960
research that was had been t had taken

01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:27.399
place I don't know that we were aware

01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:28.880
that that had also occurred with the

01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.079
Camden historical society and that they

01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:33.680
had were in full approval but certainly

01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:36.800
we had a the benefit of a briefing and I

01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:39.279
commend the developers too for coming

01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:41.640
back to the new Council and doing that

01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:44.399
briefing again there were no questions

01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:46.560
then raised about whether that was an

01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:49.239
appropriate name or not  I think it

01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:52.159
needs to be acknowledged that in all the

01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:54.439
years ironically all the years that I've

01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:57.119
seen presentations of this nature this

01:25:57.199 --> 01:26:00.399
was undoubtedly the best researched the

01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:03.319
best presented and the most

01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:05.640
appropriately  derived name that I

01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:08.159
think I've ever seen I don't disagree

01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:10.359
with anything that's been said about

01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:13.000
needing to clarify in the future

01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:15.640
possibly what we want apart from saying

01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:18.479
that the best names are the ones that

01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:20.520
are actually ass so someone if they're

01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:23.439
named after a person someone who has in

01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:27.119
fact been associated with that place

01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:29.119
that's the that's what's significant as

01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:31.159
an association be that for indigenous

01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:34.039
names or for Colonial names and I also

01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:35.640
don't think it's appropriate

01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:38.520
historically for any reason whatsoever

01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:41.159
to deny the history that's occurred in

01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:43.920
this nation from 1788 until the present

01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.399
day I note that the geographical names

01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:49.479
board prefers people for names that they

01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:51.640
know the people have in fact done good

01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:53.119
things and something's not going to turn

01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:57.119
up later  that precludes them  from

01:26:57.199 --> 01:26:59.319
from being an appropriate name for a

01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:02.000
place but I think in this instance the

01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:03.800
research that was done and the

01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:07.359
presentations which were put  are as I

01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:09.159
said the best that I've seen and I think

01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:11.680
it behoves us to recognize that we

01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:13.880
endorse that and send this one through

01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:16.000
to the geographical names board and if

01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:18.720
we want to address this issue overall in

01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:20.840
the future as councel McLean said we do it

01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:24.720
in the future not  respect respect

01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.159
effectively thank you councelor Campbell

01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:30.159
 just to once again reiterate we are

01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:33.199
we are at this stage simply voting on

01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:36.359
The recision motion  that is before us

01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:40.399
and that will  in turn if if  passed

01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:45.920
it will  resend to  motion sorry

01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:50.079
resolution number 158 of 24 okay so

01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:53.079
we'll start with that  I'll call all

01:27:53.159 --> 01:27:55.920
those in favor of the recision motion to

01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:57.119
please raise your

01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:00.000
hand so councelor Campbell councelor

01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:03.239
McLean councelor Ferreri councelor Sakari

01:28:03.319 --> 01:28:05.359
councelor Suri councelor Fedeli and

01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:08.079
councelor Kagney those

01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:11.079
against councelor Rahman and councelor

01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:13.960
quel the motion is

01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:16.920
carried so now councilors will move to

01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:19.800
the second part now that the recision

01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:21.720
has been carried I'd like to ask whether

01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:23.720
or not there is a mover from those

01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:25.960
particular who had  put forth the

01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:28.399
recision motion is there a move for the

01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:30.720
second part of this item councelor

01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:33.600
Campbell A Move that the motion become

01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:35.439
the recommendation of the council

01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.119
meeting of the 11th of the 11th 2024 I'm

01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:41.279
Mr to stay Thank you councelor do I have

01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:43.920
a seconder councelor McLean councelor

01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:46.239
Campbell would you like to speak to the

01:28:46.319 --> 01:28:49.600
motion simply to say that we always need

01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:52.119
to be to make decisions that are

01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:54.640
appropriate and consistent and

01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:56.960
transparent we can't go chopping and

01:28:57.039 --> 01:28:59.920
changing procedures without any warning

01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:02.920
or putting forward any guidelines or

01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.520
asking any questions at presentations or

01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:08.399
in the absence of any adopted Council

01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:12.600
policy if we wish to go ahead and  and

01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:16.479
discuss this in  a future  briefing

01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.880
session and come up with a policy that

01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:21.039
can go out on public exhibition so that

01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:23.039
the community has a chance to have input

01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:25.520
into it that's fine it's not a bad thing

01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.439
to consider doing  I would though

01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.359
maybe caution us that coming up with the

01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:33.239
names that are appropriate for the

01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:34.960
geographical names board who are the

01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:37.159
consent authority to endorse is not an

01:29:37.239 --> 01:29:40.520
easy thing  you might think it is and

01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:42.680
if you want to carry through with having

01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:44.600
names that are associated with a

01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:46.439
particular place and therefore have

01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:48.199
greater significance and relevance

01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:51.079
that's probably even harder as I said I

01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:53.159
think this one has been quite

01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:55.840
brilliantly researched actually and I

01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:58.279
think they've come up with a name which

01:29:58.359 --> 01:30:03.119
fits that place rather perfectly so I 

01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:05.119
encourage you all to support the

01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:06.920
recommendation that this be forwarded to

01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:09.359
the geographic or names board post haste

01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:12.640
and not delay proceedings any further

01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:14.960
thank you councelor Campbell do we have

01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:16.840
any speakers for the

01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:20.359
motion against the motion do we have any

01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:22.840
questions with that I put the motion

01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:25.479
forward all those in

01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:28.640
favor councelor Ashley Kagney councelor

01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:30.640
Campbell councelor McLean councelor

01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:33.119
Ferreri councelor sari councelor sui

01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:36.159
councelor fideli those against councelor

01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:40.439
Rahman and councelor quell the motion is

01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:46.800
carried on to item 14 notice of motion

01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.479
oh

01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:51.640
sorry oh sorry you're right counselor

01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:54.520
thank you can't count tonight clearly

01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:57.399
all right on to item 15 notice of motion

01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:00.159
development in Camden LGA there is a

01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:03.119
recommendation  on page 62 where the

01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:06.960
item is  outlined councilor McLean would

01:31:07.039 --> 01:31:09.760
you like to move this motion as written

01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:12.600
 yes I do Madame may as presented

01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:14.359
thank you councelor do I have a secondar

01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:16.960
councelor Campbell thank you councelor

01:31:17.039 --> 01:31:18.880
McLean would you like to speak to a

01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:22.439
motion  thanks Madame Mayor  tonight

01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:25.800
I  present a a very very basic 

01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:30.000
General motion and  firstly though I

01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:32.800
want to certainly thank  the residents

01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:35.039
and all speakers who have been able to

01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:38.399
attend  the council meeting tonight 

01:31:38.479 --> 01:31:41.920
and especially thank Mrs  Dickens for

01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:45.680
 also speaking to the motion

01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:49.520
I want to really in general acknowledge

01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:52.000
the impacts of continuing infill

01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.960
development  which it has

01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:57.159
 we

01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:00.199
have a number of established  and more

01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:03.640
newly established suburbs across Camden

01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:07.319
Council and what we are seeing is I

01:32:07.399 --> 01:32:12.239
guess compounding and  ongoing infel

01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:14.279
development I'm certainly not against

01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:18.039
infel development I generally absolutely

01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:22.920
support it  particularly when those 

01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:26.680
changes in you have little or no impact

01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:29.279
 and and these include of course

01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:31.880
businesses and Comm small commercial

01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:34.720
operations of which there are nerous

01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:35.760
across our

01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:38.720
suburbs however when they have multiple

01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:42.960
client businesses and multiple  staff

01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:46.000
for these businesses or operations 

01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:49.199
they begin to have a an ongoing and

01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:53.600
compounding impact and these impacts 

01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:56.159
have have been seen across multiple

01:32:56.239 --> 01:32:59.920
suburbs  in camon Council when you

01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:02.600
then match that up with a subdivision

01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:05.520
down the road  and there mult there's

01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:08.520
multiple types and examples of this

01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:11.479
again I'm not against subdivisions 

01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.479
these include larger multi site

01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:17.439
subdivisions of of dozens of 

01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:21.720
dwellings to  much smaller 

01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:24.520
divisions of of  single res blocks

01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:27.840
into  multi-dwelling

01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:30.199
 

01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:33.760
residents the the issue though is that

01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:35.920
these suburbs were

01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:39.680
designed of them  in the past  to

01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:43.439
cope with and service the demands within

01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.960
those communities we see a lot of 

01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:50.000
traffic impacts  safety challenges

01:33:50.079 --> 01:33:52.600
Road impacts additional wear and tear on

01:33:52.680 --> 01:33:54.560
our road asset

01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:56.960
 and certainly  challenges with

01:33:57.039 --> 01:33:59.279
emergency evacuations and certainly

01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:03.439
emergency service  accessibility with

01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:07.159
fire and ambulance and  and the like

01:34:07.239 --> 01:34:10.279
so I I I'm not trying to Target any

01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:14.000
specific business or or or operation 

01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:16.399
specifically it really is about

01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:19.399
recognizing  this as a very Broad and

01:34:19.479 --> 01:34:21.079
escalating issue which is really going

01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:24.960
to continue to occur  as our community

01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:27.399
grows so we need to be cognizant of it

01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:29.279
and we need to be aware of it like I

01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:31.640
said it exists in many suburbs and I

01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:35.399
have had many residents  contact me in

01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:37.279
a number of different suburbs where this

01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:40.119
occurs  there's there's I guess the

01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:43.439
word  unintended consequences is

01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:46.199
something which is real and is 

01:34:46.279 --> 01:34:47.920
continuing to escalate in our

01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:51.199
communities so this really  isn't

01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:52.800
holding counsel to anything in

01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:55.279
particular it's really about recognizing

01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:58.199
and acknowledging those impacts and 

01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:00.600
making sure that we're cognizant of how

01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:04.720
we can  better plan and  accommodate

01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:08.239
them  in the future thank

01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:10.800
you thank you councelor are there any

01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:15.079
speakers for the motion councelor

01:35:17.720 --> 01:35:20.079
Campbell infield development good

01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:23.880
infield development is one thing and if

01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:27.199
it is something that doesn't negatively

01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:30.640
impact on the existing community and is

01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:32.319
something that's going to benefit the

01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:36.760
future Community then it is good infill

01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:40.800
development this is often not the case

01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:43.159
and it's been so ever since I was first

01:35:43.239 --> 01:35:44.720
elected to

01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:49.159
council I will name  the facilities

01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:52.119
which have largely upset this apple cart

01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:54.600
 in the Camden local government area

01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:56.560
and their preschools and Child Care

01:35:56.640 --> 01:35:59.119
Centers a number of years ago the

01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.239
council recognized this and the need to

01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:05.640
make clear to in new subdivisions to

01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:08.119
people considering buying into that area

01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:11.560
for a residence what was going to happen

01:36:11.640 --> 01:36:14.880
around them and so we moved that if you

01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:16.840
wanted to put a child care that there

01:36:16.920 --> 01:36:19.479
had to be a dentified child care center

01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:22.479
sites in the new areas so that people

01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:25.279
knew if you were buying in that the site

01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:27.159
you know just down the road was going to

01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:31.079
be for a child care center I know and I

01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:33.439
I thank Mrs Roma Dickens for coming to

01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:35.359
speak to us tonight and I acknowledge

01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:37.319
that  we sort of pulled the rug out

01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:39.199
from under her feet a little bit too and

01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:41.000
commend her for the way she was able to

01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:42.760
try and change what she was going to say

01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:45.640
to us to take it away from specifically

01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:47.600
the experience of residence in nillan

01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:50.960
Veil currently and move it into a wider

01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:52.239
generic

01:36:52.319 --> 01:36:55.920
sphere what was needed there was to say

01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:57.840
the negative what to outline what the

01:36:57.920 --> 01:36:59.720
negative impacts of a big commercial

01:36:59.800 --> 01:37:01.479
development in your residential street

01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:03.800
were going to be and that's not a

01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:06.199
nimious attitude because it applies to

01:37:06.279 --> 01:37:09.319
all across the board  that step that

01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:10.880
was referred to State Environmental

01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:13.960
planning policy number 17 on Child Care

01:37:14.039 --> 01:37:17.279
Centers I personally think came in at a

01:37:17.359 --> 01:37:20.239
time when there was discussion about the

01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:22.079
number lack of centers the number of

01:37:22.159 --> 01:37:23.960
centers where the centers went

01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:26.479
and what was argued in this Council over

01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:29.239
many years was that when it comes to a

01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:32.640
huge Center a great big commercial

01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:35.279
Enterprise then it needs to be in a

01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:37.600
commercial center but of course the

01:37:37.680 --> 01:37:40.680
economic dictates of that if you

01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:43.039
aren't talking about unintended

01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:44.640
consequences and you're looking at

01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:46.560
people who don't follow a Good Neighbor

01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:48.760
policy and who really want to maximize

01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:51.800
their profits the best place to buy is

01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:53.720
in a residential area because two or

01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:55.439
three blocks there don't cost you

01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:57.359
anything like what it would cost to go

01:37:57.439 --> 01:37:59.720
into a commercial center it was further

01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:03.039
argued in relation to child care centers

01:38:03.119 --> 01:38:06.640
that really as a parent putting a child

01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:08.880
in there you needed that to be somewhere

01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:11.560
near your place of employment not way

01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:13.960
back in the BBS where if some if they

01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:16.079
rang you up and said the kid had had the

01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:18.119
Chas or something that you had to try

01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:19.920
and get away from work and then get way

01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:21.720
back to your suburban area to get the

01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:23.600
child out and take it to the doctor take

01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:27.359
it home so where they're located ought

01:38:27.439 --> 01:38:30.239
to be determined by the size and at the

01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:32.359
time that the sep came in suggesting

01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:35.520
that they could be in Suburban areas we

01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:37.520
were talking about centers that were

01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:40.600
largely in the size that was in a single

01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:43.439
residence with some play areas outside

01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:46.319
they were small they weren't these huge

01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:48.760
big double story things that take a 100

01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:50.840
kids and and after school care and

01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:54.279
goodness knows what else huge commercial

01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:57.920
Enterprises now smaller ones I don't

01:38:58.000 --> 01:38:59.920
think they'd be a problem with but it's

01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:01.720
the big ones they're the ones that are

01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:05.399
causing the problems and so to for us to

01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:08.520
actually start looking at the ways that

01:39:08.600 --> 01:39:12.000
we can set parameters

01:39:12.079 --> 01:39:14.880
around infield development good infield

01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:17.319
development that's fine but then we or

01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:18.920
need to recognize too that we are going

01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:20.800
to have to take on the state government

01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:22.520
over this because is that the warning

01:39:22.600 --> 01:39:24.279
Bell or the final

01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:27.840
Bill thank you  take on the state

01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:32.840
government over again prioritizing needs

01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:35.840
against consideration of the impact of

01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:38.319
how those needs are addressed because

01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:39.600
that's what we're talking about we're

01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:41.000
talking about

01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:43.560
livability people's amenity in their own

01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:46.159
neighborhood not being swamped in a

01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.039
residential area by a huge commercial

01:39:49.119 --> 01:39:51.640
Enterprise which actually belongs

01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:54.680
attached to a factory or an office

01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:57.680
complex or in a a commercial area

01:39:57.760 --> 01:39:59.279
because that's where these big ones

01:39:59.359 --> 01:40:01.159
ought to be end of

01:40:01.239 --> 01:40:04.800
story thank you counselor  this

01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:07.039
evening I'll be voting against this

01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:10.199
notice of motion for me this motion 

01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:13.039
is actually a real concern and one that

01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:15.720
has  real potential to create a lot of

01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:18.119
false hope within our community and for

01:40:18.199 --> 01:40:20.359
residents or anyone else for that matter

01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:22.239
that wishes to object to a development

01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:25.439
application relevant to them let me be

01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:28.199
very clear if this motion is passed this

01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:30.119
evening there will be absolutely no

01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:32.159
changes to the current assessment

01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:34.640
process and it will do absolutely

01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:37.479
nothing in Practical terms for many the

01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:39.359
state government changes to the planning

01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:41.560
legislation whereby councilors no longer

01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:46.560
determined Das has been confusing for

01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.680
many and it has been one of the hardest

01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:52.520
things we as councilors have had to do

01:40:52.600 --> 01:40:55.600
getting our Community to understand that

01:40:55.680 --> 01:40:58.279
we are no longer the consent Authority

01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:00.800
as much as I personally hate this and

01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:02.279
the fact that we had those changes

01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:04.359
implemented back in

01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:08.000
2018  where we as our local

01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:10.640
Representatives no longer have  the

01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:15.159
ability to  have a say other than like

01:41:15.239 --> 01:41:17.239
any other resident in the community that

01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:18.800
to me was one of the most difficult

01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:21.439
things I had to come to to grips with as

01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:22.159
a

01:41:22.239 --> 01:41:24.880
counselor but regardless matters

01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:27.600
referred to our local planning panel are

01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:31.279
all heard on a case-by casee basis and

01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:33.800
absolutely factor in Resident

01:41:33.880 --> 01:41:36.479
submissions and I would strongly S

01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:39.600
Suggest and encourage all residents or

01:41:39.680 --> 01:41:42.039
counselors for that matter to use the

01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:44.720
address session to raise matters  to

01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:48.399
the local planning panel specifically as

01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:51.079
matters  

01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:53.720
arise whether it be for for an infield

01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:55.399
development or

01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:58.840
anything that said  I can't support a

01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:00.840
motion of this nature which will just

01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:03.560
confuse residents it'll muddy the Waters

01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:06.399
of who is the true consent Authority and

01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:08.039
will set a tone that Council doesn't

01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:09.520
like to support impr principal

01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:11.800
businesses preschools child carees and

01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:15.760
the like I'll be clear once again  for

01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:17.960
me it is always about the right types of

01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:19.840
development in the right

01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:21.960
locations  that is something that I

01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:23.720
will fight hard for the res residents

01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:26.920
and advocate for residents but we are

01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:29.439
not the consent Authority and I will not

01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:31.479
go down the path of mudding the waters

01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:34.159
and confusing residents to think that

01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:36.039
they can come to a council meeting and

01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:39.600
address us as a council on matters that

01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:41.840
 are of extreme importance to them

01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:44.600
personally which I completely understand

01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:47.520
a motion like this as generic as it is I

01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:50.319
think will breed false hope amongst our

01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:53.239
community  and that is something I

01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:55.399
simply cannot support so I will not be

01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:56.880
supporting this notice of motion this

01:42:56.960 --> 01:42:58.960
evening councilors are there any

01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:01.319
speakers for the the

01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:03.920
motion against the

01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:07.279
motion Council McLean your right of

01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:12.119
reply  thanks Madame Mayor

01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:15.000
 I just

01:43:15.079 --> 01:43:19.119
further  want to say that the the

01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:21.279
motion is very general again that the

01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:23.199
words are very key around acknowledge

01:43:23.279 --> 01:43:26.439
and recognize  because I think this

01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:29.039
has been an ongoing challenge for for

01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:32.960
some time as Council Campbell noted 

01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:36.479
but I guess the other reason I also

01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:39.079
brought it wanted to raise the attention

01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:41.119
in this space was that it's it's really

01:43:41.199 --> 01:43:43.359
going to  continue to escalate and

01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:46.640
continue to become a a greater 

01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:49.920
challenge so I I definitely don't seek

01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:52.640
to confuse or mislead or or give false

01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:56.239
hope or or muddy any Waters  I really

01:43:56.319 --> 01:43:58.399
just seek to raise awareness  and

01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:00.760
education on this very very important

01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:03.560
area which is going to affect residents

01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:06.600
 not just now but in future and in a

01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:08.359
number of well probably not a number of

01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:09.880
suburbs but all

01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:14.199
suburbs  so I just really seek  and

01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:17.239
and the the support  that we

01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:20.319
acknowledge and recognize this  the

01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:23.600
other key area or reason for raising

01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:26.359
this to our attention was to of course

01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:28.720
just ensure that the community also has

01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:30.439
a voice thank

01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.119
you thank you councelor McLean I'll now

01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:35.359
put the motion to the vote all those in

01:44:35.439 --> 01:44:38.239
favor councelor Campbell councelor McLean

01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:40.720
councelor sui all those against

01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:42.640
councelor Rahman councelor Cornell

01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:44.520
councelor Ferreri councelor Sakari

01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:47.439
councelor fideli and councelor Kagney

01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:49.439
the motion is

01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:53.000
lost on to item 16 notice of motion

01:44:53.079 --> 01:44:53.960
housing

01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:56.760
need the recommendation and item is

01:44:56.840 --> 01:44:58.800
listed on page

01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:02.199
63 Council McLean you happy to move the

01:45:02.279 --> 01:45:04.479
motion  yes thank you Madame may as

01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:06.880
it's  stated in the papers thank you

01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:09.359
councelor do I have a second councelor

01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:13.159
Sakari councelor

01:45:14.479 --> 01:45:17.840
McLean thanks Madame

01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:19.840
Mayor

01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:23.600
the I'm pleased to have  put this

01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:27.880
motion together  after speaking with a

01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:29.840
number of people  I guess this has

01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:33.439
been an area of  concern of mine for

01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:35.960
some time

01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:39.039
and in many ways I felt quite helpless

01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:41.920
in this area  CU it is it's not my

01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:44.079
background it's not my 

01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:46.319
expertise  although I am learning a

01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:47.760
lot more about

01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:49.399
it

01:45:49.479 --> 01:45:52.279
and I guess we have the we have the

01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:53.359
strategy

01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:55.279
and the plans in place a number of them

01:45:55.359 --> 01:45:57.680
in fact  like local housing strategies

01:45:57.760 --> 01:45:59.640
for example  and there's all

01:45:59.720 --> 01:46:03.119
well-meaning  important  items

01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:06.359
listed  and and even some measures and

01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:08.640
targets  within these plans which is

01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:12.439
always important to note  but what we

01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:15.520
really need is  bringing people

01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.199
together  like I said I'm not the

01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:22.640
expert and and there's but but what we

01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:24.920
can do is be experts by bringing people

01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:28.920
together so this can't be solved  by

01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:31.159
Camden Council alone and and nor should

01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:34.000
it be I think I should note as well 

01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:36.880
and this is why I've quite simply I

01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:38.479
won't go through the exact motion it's

01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:41.039
it's in front of everyone  is to again

01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:44.600
recognize this is a a major challenge 

01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:47.279
and and a growing challenge  but also

01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:50.079
that we need  to bring the community

01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:53.079
together and  organize a community

01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:55.880
For of the key stakeholders  many of

01:46:55.960 --> 01:46:59.119
them experts many of them experts  in

01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:01.319
their areas  but nonetheless bring

01:47:01.399 --> 01:47:03.960
them all together into a community For

01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:05.560
sometime early next year I haven't put a

01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:08.359
date on it because again  there'll be

01:47:08.439 --> 01:47:10.720
competing areas we've got a Christmas

01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:13.319
break and  but but I certainly would

01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:16.279
like to see it in the first  few

01:47:16.359 --> 01:47:18.640
months of  of next year perhaps as

01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:21.039
early as  March but I understand it

01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:24.680
may be  a tiny bit later

01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:28.920
the the the big statistic that  jps

01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:32.720
to mind when I look at homelessness 

01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:35.239
and when we talk about homelessness and

01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:39.119
the types of homelessness we are always

01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:41.399
referring to our key Capital Cities and

01:47:41.479 --> 01:47:43.960
it's often not seen as an issue in our

01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.560
outlying suburbs  and it's less seen

01:47:47.640 --> 01:47:51.279
as a as a major issue in comparison 

01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:53.000
to those other areas I mention mentioned

01:47:53.079 --> 01:47:56.640
in Camden the but the last census 

01:47:56.720 --> 01:47:58.880
which was done just over 3 years ago now

01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:00.359
it seemed like it wasn't that long ago

01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:02.359
but  August

01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:06.119
2021 Illustrated that in this LGA 43.4

01:48:06.199 --> 01:48:09.319
people per head of Pop 10,000 population

01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:12.159
 were in some type of homelessness Now

01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:14.760
by my calculation that's around about

01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:20.359
550 to 600 people  in our community

01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:22.960
who are either homeless sleeping R

01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:26.359
sleeping in a car sleeping in a insecure

01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:30.560
unsafe accommodation and that to me 

01:48:30.640 --> 01:48:31.880
is is not

01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:36.319
fair  one of the key focuses of mine

01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:39.159
personally  and something I hold very

01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:42.239
close to myself is that as a community

01:48:42.319 --> 01:48:43.319
we need to

01:48:43.399 --> 01:48:46.279
grow  and we all need to benefit and

01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:49.039
grow as as we grow together  not just

01:48:49.119 --> 01:48:52.720
a select few so I want to ensure that we

01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:55.760
definitely subscribe strongly to this in

01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:59.279
this local area of Camden

01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:03.000
Council  the just yesterday I was

01:49:03.079 --> 01:49:06.760
listening to a a media interview around

01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:08.239
funny enough

01:49:08.319 --> 01:49:11.680
homelessness and it's again a symptom of

01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:14.399
the growing divide and in inequity in

01:49:14.479 --> 01:49:17.239
Australia the average wage in Australia

01:49:17.319 --> 01:49:19.760
is now over one minute I heard it that

01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:23.119
time thanks the other the average wage

01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:24.239
is now over

01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:27.000
$100,000 for the average Australian a

01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:29.039
lot of people go wow that's a lot  how

01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:31.399
can that be it's the average wage it's

01:49:31.479 --> 01:49:34.479
not the medi wage because that's

01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:37.720
$67,000  gross by the way and it's

01:49:37.800 --> 01:49:41.880
important to note that growing divide in

01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:45.119
in in inequity between the two because

01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:47.119
what we're seeing is the rich getting

01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:49.279
richer and absolutely the poor are

01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:51.880
getting poorer  this is a national

01:49:51.960 --> 01:49:53.920
issue but it's obviously an issue that

01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:57.319
is bearing into Camden as well so with

01:49:57.399 --> 01:50:00.399
that I  have put that motion forward

01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:03.520
 and I hope  colleagues you will

01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:06.119
support that  and we can hopefully

01:50:06.199 --> 01:50:09.279
help to  make a greater impact on this

01:50:09.359 --> 01:50:11.840
 growing challenge in our community

01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:13.800
thank you thank you councelor McLean do I

01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:15.600
have any speakers for the motion

01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:18.000
councelor

01:50:18.079 --> 01:50:20.439
Sakari  I want to acknowledge that I'm

01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:23.520
in favor of this motion   like

01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:27.159
council McLean did say  maybe we do see

01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:29.600
we don't see we don't see homelessness

01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:31.000
here like people living in the streets

01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:33.520
and the city  there is definitely a

01:50:33.600 --> 01:50:36.840
lot more I have seen it  every time I

01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:41.039
go to the city  it is getting closer

01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.840
to home we do have the nearby our

01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:46.880
closest nearby councils  start

01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.680
starting to have homelessness crisis

01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:51.920
people living in Council car Parks 

01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:54.279
people sleeping on park bench so it is

01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:57.199
getting closer and closer to home  the

01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:00.640
homelessness has increased from 8% to

01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:03.640
60% in the last couple of years so we

01:51:03.720 --> 01:51:05.079
are seeing it

01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:11.840
Rise  housing shortage   is a

01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:15.039
serious problem and the rental increase

01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:17.000
is really brought on because of the fact

01:51:17.079 --> 01:51:18.880
that we've got housing shortage because

01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:21.680
then there becomes a rental bidding so I

01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:23.159
believe that if we didn't have a housing

01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:25.960
shortage we probably wouldn't have  a

01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:27.640
rental bidding and we probably wouldn't

01:51:27.720 --> 01:51:31.119
have a rental increase that's my theory

01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:32.880
 however because I'm very passionate

01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:36.399
about this I when I came into Council I

01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:38.640
had a meeting with the council and they

01:51:38.720 --> 01:51:40.560
asked me what I am very passionate about

01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:42.800
what I'd like to see happen and get done

01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:44.520
and Achieve and counsil and one of the

01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:47.560
things I spoke to was about shortage of

01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:53.039
housing  and homelessness so  

01:51:53.119 --> 01:51:54.600
with that we were trying to brainstorm a

01:51:54.680 --> 01:51:58.439
few ideas  one of the ideas was maybe

01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:00.279
when we have houses built we could have

01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:03.039
houses built with because most people

01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.640
now these days are just living  on

01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:08.760
their own they're not  you know having

01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:10.079
fam straight away they're having

01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:12.720
families later a lot more people couples

01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:15.920
they're having children later  maybe

01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:19.560
just build houses that can with a granny

01:52:19.640 --> 01:52:22.880
flat   a studio apartment on top of

01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:24.520
a garage or something like that

01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:27.239
something that can have more houses in

01:52:27.319 --> 01:52:28.159
the

01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:31.199
community  of course we'd have to work

01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:33.279
with you know Council would have to work

01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:36.359
with planners that's not up to us but 

01:52:36.439 --> 01:52:37.960
have more houses in the community built

01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:40.119
with studio apartments and Granny Flats

01:52:40.199 --> 01:52:41.760
try to have more approval of that kind

01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:45.359
of standard of type houses in order to

01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:48.680
accommodate  have more increase of

01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:52.039
rental properties with that saying  I

01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:55.720
just want say that I I acknowledge and

01:52:55.800 --> 01:52:58.199
this motion thank you thank you very

01:52:58.279 --> 01:52:59.880
much councilor Sakari are there any

01:52:59.960 --> 01:53:02.680
other speakers for the motion councilor

01:53:02.760 --> 01:53:05.359
quel  thank you Madame Mayor  first

01:53:05.439 --> 01:53:06.680
I just want to say thank you for

01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.399
councelor McLean for bringing this

01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:11.720
important  initiative forward to have

01:53:11.800 --> 01:53:15.199
this housing  housing For  just

01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:16.840
want to quickly call out the wonderful

01:53:16.920 --> 01:53:19.720
St vent theor Society for their advocacy

01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:22.479
in this field  and I would encourage

01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:24.279
want to donate to 2024 Vinnie's

01:53:24.359 --> 01:53:26.239
Christmas appeal which is available now

01:53:26.319 --> 01:53:27.840
and I'm sure there's people in this room

01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:29.640
who can who can send you the link thank

01:53:29.720 --> 01:53:30.479
you very

01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:33.159
much well said councelor Cornell are

01:53:33.239 --> 01:53:36.119
there any other speakers for the for the

01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:39.479
motion against the motion are there any

01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:41.920
questions with that I put it forward all

01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:42.880
those in

01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:48.119
favor unanimous thank you very much

01:53:53.039 --> 01:53:56.119
okay on to item 17 notice of motion

01:53:56.199 --> 01:53:59.600
train station in orm park the item is

01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:02.880
listed on page 65 with a

01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:05.399
recommendation  councelor sui you have

01:54:05.479 --> 01:54:07.840
put forth this notice of motion are you

01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:10.720
happy to move this as

01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:13.159
written  thank you Madame Mayor I

01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:17.000
would like to change some wordings okay

01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:18.920
is I'll just see if we've got that on

01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:22.159
the screen

01:54:27.479 --> 01:54:29.600
it  Council can I just get you to

01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:31.640
confirm whether or not what's written on

01:54:31.720 --> 01:54:33.279
the screen is how you would like the

01:54:33.359 --> 01:54:35.920
wording of the motion to

01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:39.960
be yes  just the a subject is advocacy

01:54:40.039 --> 01:54:43.279
of train station in Arden Park advocacy

01:54:43.359 --> 01:54:44.960
for train station in Arden Park we'll

01:54:45.039 --> 01:54:48.000
get that one toed up for

01:54:48.079 --> 01:54:52.520
you advocacy for yeah that's right

01:54:52.600 --> 01:54:54.560
and the rest of the words are fine okay

01:54:54.640 --> 01:54:56.359
thank you councelor Siri do I have a

01:54:56.439 --> 01:54:58.279
second can someone read it because I

01:54:58.359 --> 01:54:59.960
can't see it oh you can't see it okay

01:55:00.039 --> 01:55:00.840
hold

01:55:00.920 --> 01:55:05.840
on look at this look got a copy coming

01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.800
around is that blown up as large as we

01:55:11.880 --> 01:55:13.800
can make

01:55:13.880 --> 01:55:16.840
it thank

01:55:16.920 --> 01:55:21.640
you a how about that

01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:27.079
I'll just give councilors a moment to

01:55:27.159 --> 01:55:31.000
read the changes to the

01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:36.079
motion and then I'll call for a

01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:39.399
second councelor Campbell's happen happy

01:55:39.479 --> 01:55:42.880
to second okay councelor Siri thank you

01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:46.279
Madame Mayor so I'm pleased to present

01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:48.199
my motion so the that Council

01:55:48.279 --> 01:55:49.920
acknowledges the significance and

01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:51.880
provides regular quarterly updates

01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:54.520
through let's connect to the community

01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:56.520
about the progress of the advocacy

01:55:56.600 --> 01:55:59.079
efforts and any developments related to

01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:01.039
the proposal for the delivery of the

01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:03.439
full North South Metro connections

01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:06.319
between Bradfield and MacArthur which

01:56:06.399 --> 01:56:09.000
includes stations at Oren Park and nuran

01:56:09.079 --> 01:56:10.479
as well as the connection between St

01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:13.239
Mary's and talabong so I'm pleased to

01:56:13.319 --> 01:56:15.319
present this motion on advocacy for

01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:17.079
train station in Oran Park that

01:56:17.159 --> 01:56:19.359
resonates deeply with the hopes and

01:56:19.439 --> 01:56:22.239
concerns of residents in our rapidly

01:56:22.319 --> 01:56:24.960
growing Sydney west region particularly

01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:28.119
in Orin Park and its surrounding areas

01:56:28.199 --> 01:56:30.680
this is a motion about awareness

01:56:30.760 --> 01:56:34.079
transparency trust and most importantly

01:56:34.159 --> 01:56:37.079
about the future of our communities this

01:56:37.159 --> 01:56:39.159
motion calls for consistent and

01:56:39.239 --> 01:56:41.920
comprehensive quarterly updates through

01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:44.880
let's connect to the community regarding

01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:48.079
the progress timelines and impacts of

01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:50.159
the proposed raail options for our

01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:53.000
Western Sydney region as you walk

01:56:53.079 --> 01:56:55.319
through the streets of Camden you see a

01:56:55.399 --> 01:56:57.880
vibrant thriving Community you hear the

01:56:57.960 --> 01:56:59.840
laughter of children in our Parks the

01:56:59.920 --> 01:57:02.720
h of activity in local businesses and

01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:04.800
the dreams of families who have chosen

01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:07.720
this place to call home but beneath this

01:57:07.800 --> 01:57:11.680
energy lies a growing anxiety a question

01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:14.279
that Echoes through many households what

01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:16.520
is happening with the Rail options for a

01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:19.279
region so the promise of improved

01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:21.840
transport infrastructure particularly a

01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:25.000
ra connection has been a Beacon of Hope

01:57:25.079 --> 01:57:27.960
for a community it represents more than

01:57:28.039 --> 01:57:30.600
just convenience it symbolizes

01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:33.960
opportunity access to jobs Education

01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:37.039
Health Care and a better quality of life

01:57:37.119 --> 01:57:40.000
it affects every sector of a community

01:57:40.079 --> 01:57:41.720
for working residents it means

01:57:41.800 --> 01:57:43.680
convenience to travel and work options

01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:46.279
for parents it means easier a safer

01:57:46.359 --> 01:57:49.000
easier commute for a youth it's a

01:57:49.079 --> 01:57:51.600
pathway for brighter future for our

01:57:51.680 --> 01:57:54.039
seniors it's a connection to essential

01:57:54.119 --> 01:57:56.880
services and loved ones but with each

01:57:56.960 --> 01:57:59.640
passing month uncertainty grows

01:57:59.720 --> 01:58:02.439
residents ask where do the plans stand

01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:04.840
what progress has been made how will

01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:07.119
these changes affect our lives and our

01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:09.600
homes these are not just logistical

01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:12.439
questions they are deeply personal ones

01:58:12.520 --> 01:58:14.680
they shape how families plan their

01:58:14.760 --> 01:58:18.039
Futures how businesses decide to invest

01:58:18.119 --> 01:58:21.039
and how our community grows together I

01:58:21.119 --> 01:58:23.199
acknowledge all the work Hamden council

01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:25.199
is doing along with the seven other

01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:27.720
local governments of the Blue Mountains

01:58:27.800 --> 01:58:30.000
Campell toown Fairfield hawksbury

01:58:30.079 --> 01:58:32.520
Liverpool penit and volly with the

01:58:32.600 --> 01:58:34.439
Australian and with the New South Wales

01:58:34.520 --> 01:58:36.800
governments to deliver the full North

01:58:36.880 --> 01:58:38.600
South Metro connections between

01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:41.439
Bradfield and MacArthur which includes

01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:43.800
stations at Oren Park and thean as well

01:58:43.880 --> 01:58:45.439
as the connection between St Mar's and

01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:47.960
tala Wong this motion calls for

01:58:48.039 --> 01:58:50.159
consistent and comprehensive quarterly

01:58:50.239 --> 01:58:52.600
updates through let's connect to the

01:58:52.680 --> 01:58:54.640
community regarding the progress

01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:57.079
timelines and impacts of the proposed

01:58:57.159 --> 01:59:00.319
Rail options for a western Sydney region

01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:03.119
we as representatives of this community

01:59:03.199 --> 01:59:05.720
have a duty to ensure that our residents

01:59:05.800 --> 01:59:07.880
are kept in light of the progress we are

01:59:07.960 --> 01:59:10.720
making in this regard transparency and

01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:13.079
regular updates about the proposed Rail

01:59:13.159 --> 01:59:15.560
options for Western Sydney are not just

01:59:15.640 --> 01:59:17.960
administrative tasks they are moral

01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:20.520
obligations they are a sign of trust and

01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:22.760
respect for people who have placed their

01:59:22.840 --> 01:59:25.039
trust in us and they are critical in

01:59:25.119 --> 01:59:27.159
building a community that feels

01:59:27.239 --> 01:59:30.079
empowered and heard it calls for us as

01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:32.880
Leaders to be proactive and accountable

01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:34.760
let's not forget that infrastructure

01:59:34.840 --> 01:59:37.039
projects like these are not just about

01:59:37.119 --> 01:59:39.560
laying tracks they are about building

01:59:39.640 --> 01:59:42.359
connections connections between suburbs

01:59:42.439 --> 01:59:44.880
between people and between aspirations

01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:47.600
and realities and as we discuss and

01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:50.199
debate this motion I urge all of us to

01:59:50.279 --> 01:59:52.680
remember the faces Behind These plans

01:59:52.760 --> 01:59:55.159
let us act with urgency Clarity and

01:59:55.239 --> 01:59:57.439
compassion let us ensure that the people

01:59:57.520 --> 01:59:59.920
of Orin Park and Sydney Weston are not

02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:02.319
just informed but empowered with all the

02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:04.520
information as we navigate this

02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:06.720
transformative journey together thank

02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:09.560
you thank you councelor Siri are there

02:00:09.640 --> 02:00:13.359
any speakers for the motion councelor

02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:16.439
Rahman thank you councelor  sry Madame

02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:19.600
May and thank you  councelor aasu for

02:00:19.680 --> 02:00:21.399
bringing this important issue to all of

02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:22.760
our atten

02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:25.800
and I would like to move an AM Amendment

02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:28.520
 to this original motion  Madame

02:00:28.600 --> 02:00:31.479
Mayor I have already  submitt

02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:34.079
pre-submitted my proposed amendments so

02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:37.239
that   governance team can be

02:00:37.319 --> 02:00:39.920
brought up  these Amendment  motions

02:00:40.000 --> 02:00:43.279
on the screen for councilors to read it

02:00:43.359 --> 02:00:45.720
thank you councelor Rahman I'll give

02:00:45.800 --> 02:00:49.279
councelors a moment to  have a look we

02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:52.479
have printed copies

02:00:52.560 --> 02:00:54.920
coming

02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:58.800
around once counselors have had a moment

02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:01.279
to digest the amendment I'll I'll 

02:01:01.359 --> 02:01:04.319
call for a

02:01:06.039 --> 02:01:10.199
second thank you

02:01:13.119 --> 02:01:16.239
[Music]

02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:37.680
do I have a seconder second counselor

02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:39.920
Ferreri councelor Rahman would you like

02:01:40.000 --> 02:01:42.720
to speak to your amended motion yes

02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:44.920
madame Mayor thank you this amendment

02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:46.800
aims to ensure that the current

02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:49.119
initiatives are recognized and

02:01:49.199 --> 02:01:52.199
integrated into the advocacy efforts for

02:01:52.279 --> 02:01:54.920
the train station thereby creating a

02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:58.199
more comprehensive and unified approach

02:01:58.279 --> 02:02:00.640
the amendments are as below acknowledge

02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:03.159
the significant advocacy work being

02:02:03.239 --> 02:02:05.359
undertaken by Camden Council

02:02:05.439 --> 02:02:07.920
individually as well as in partnership

02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:10.520
with other organizations including the

02:02:10.600 --> 02:02:13.760
Parkland City councils will Campell Town

02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:16.199
Camden penri Liverpool Fairfield

02:02:16.279 --> 02:02:19.399
hogberry and Blue Mountains the N 

02:02:19.479 --> 02:02:22.159
National growth areas Alliance business

02:02:22.239 --> 02:02:24.319
new southwell Southwest Sydney Alliance

02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:27.399
Urban Development Institute of Australia

02:02:27.479 --> 02:02:30.039
and Western Sydney leadership dialogue

02:02:30.119 --> 02:02:32.600
 to advance the case for the

02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:35.119
completion of the north south metro line

02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:37.720
from maarta to Bradfield including

02:02:37.800 --> 02:02:40.720
stations at Oran Park and nland as well

02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:44.039
as the connection between St Mary and

02:02:44.119 --> 02:02:47.359
talawang secondly the council write to

02:02:47.439 --> 02:02:50.399
our local state and federal members of

02:02:50.479 --> 02:02:52.600
parliament acknowledging that the north

02:02:52.680 --> 02:02:55.920
south metro line from Maca to bfield

02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:58.359
including stations at Oran Park and

02:02:58.439 --> 02:03:01.239
nland will remain a key advocacy

02:03:01.319 --> 02:03:05.239
priority for the new Council thirdly

02:03:05.319 --> 02:03:07.439
that Council receive a report on

02:03:07.520 --> 02:03:10.720
advocacy priorities for the Camden LGA

02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:12.640
including the North South Metro

02:03:12.720 --> 02:03:14.880
extensions and options to support

02:03:14.960 --> 02:03:17.119
Greater Community awareness for

02:03:17.199 --> 02:03:22.319
council's advocacy work by February 2025

02:03:22.399 --> 02:03:25.359
thank you thank you councelor Rahman are

02:03:25.439 --> 02:03:28.319
there any speakers to the amended motion

02:03:28.399 --> 02:03:30.359
councelor

02:03:30.439 --> 02:03:33.560
Ferreri  thank you Madame Mayor I  I

02:03:33.640 --> 02:03:35.039
strongly support Council Rahman's

02:03:35.119 --> 02:03:38.439
Amendment on this item  leading up to

02:03:38.520 --> 02:03:40.039
the local government election I heard

02:03:40.119 --> 02:03:42.399
from a lot of concerned residents and

02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:44.159
building of the new Metro would

02:03:44.239 --> 02:03:46.079
invariably come up in those

02:03:46.159 --> 02:03:48.600
conversations  people are worried that

02:03:48.680 --> 02:03:51.279
unless  this connection occurs there

02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:53.640
will be little to no public transport to

02:03:53.720 --> 02:03:55.920
the new international airport and I

02:03:56.000 --> 02:03:58.760
think we all share those concerns  now

02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:01.439
while I acknowledge that only state and

02:04:01.520 --> 02:04:03.520
federal government and not Council can

02:04:03.600 --> 02:04:05.920
deliver this much needed missing piece

02:04:06.000 --> 02:04:08.600
of the public transport puzzle I agree

02:04:08.680 --> 02:04:11.039
that it's vitally important for Council

02:04:11.119 --> 02:04:13.880
to continue to put this issue forward as

02:04:13.960 --> 02:04:17.279
a priority together with the help of the

02:04:17.359 --> 02:04:20.279
organizations previously mentioned by 

02:04:20.359 --> 02:04:22.479
councilor Rahman

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and

02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:28.520
 yes so in in saying that I also think

02:04:28.600 --> 02:04:32.239
it's it's a good idea that   we we

02:04:32.319 --> 02:04:36.000
write to  our it's wise to to write to

02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:39.000
state and federal members and 

02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:41.760
acknowledge that  although we're a new

02:04:41.840 --> 02:04:44.640
Council  that it remains a a key

02:04:44.720 --> 02:04:46.800
priority for us and I also want to

02:04:46.880 --> 02:04:49.560
acknowledge  previous council's work

02:04:49.640 --> 02:04:53.319
on this project as well and  and and

02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:56.039
in saying that I I also also think it's

02:04:56.119 --> 02:04:59.600
probably a good idea  that we hear

02:04:59.680 --> 02:05:01.800
from Council staff on the progress of

02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:04.920
all advocacy priorities  not just

02:05:05.000 --> 02:05:07.239
focusing on rooll in

02:05:07.319 --> 02:05:09.600
isolation thank you councelor ferreri

02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:11.039
are there any other speakers to the

02:05:11.119 --> 02:05:12.880
amended recommendation  motion

02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:16.039
councelor fideli  thank you madam

02:05:16.119 --> 02:05:19.119
Mayor yes orm Park is growing Gregory

02:05:19.199 --> 02:05:22.359
Hills is growing spring Farm is growing

02:05:22.439 --> 02:05:24.800
 we are in definite need for not only

02:05:24.880 --> 02:05:28.720
orm Park train station but nellan and

02:05:28.800 --> 02:05:31.920
then  in our existing neighbors

02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:35.399
councils to Campbell town

02:05:35.479 --> 02:05:39.319
 I'd also like to thank the past

02:05:39.399 --> 02:05:43.359
Council and the the directors in all the

02:05:43.439 --> 02:05:47.680
work and advocacy that does get done in

02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:51.000
 advocating for a train station 

02:05:51.079 --> 02:05:53.319
when I was Mayor I was just like a

02:05:53.399 --> 02:05:55.680
parrot Train Station train station we

02:05:55.760 --> 02:05:58.039
would go to Parliament House several

02:05:58.119 --> 02:06:00.600
times meet with ministers remember

02:06:00.680 --> 02:06:02.439
meeting with one of my ministers that

02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:04.640
tried to just  pass the buck and say

02:06:04.720 --> 02:06:07.079
you can have  buses did that ever

02:06:07.159 --> 02:06:10.159
happen no so we kept on going back and

02:06:10.239 --> 02:06:13.039
advocating then came along the Parklands

02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:15.960
group where there was eight councils on

02:06:16.039 --> 02:06:19.159
there  what was cammed in council's

02:06:19.239 --> 02:06:21.600
priority as Mayor spoke with my Council

02:06:21.680 --> 02:06:24.199
as my directors again it was the train

02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:26.279
line so we would go there and it would

02:06:26.359 --> 02:06:30.159
be the train line so to kind of say that

02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:33.920
council is not taking a leadership on

02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:38.079
this  I don't think that's fair

02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:40.800
council is taking a very very strong

02:06:40.880 --> 02:06:45.960
leadership on advocating for rail  and

02:06:46.039 --> 02:06:48.880
I've got to a point that I don't hear it

02:06:48.960 --> 02:06:51.159
that much probably cuz I'm not in that

02:06:51.239 --> 02:06:52.520
war

02:06:52.600 --> 02:06:55.760
but  if you go on the

02:06:55.840 --> 02:06:58.880
website there's information there I

02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:00.800
don't think we're going to get enough

02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:02.600
out there by just putting it in let's

02:07:02.680 --> 02:07:05.039
connect 3 months will be up and it'll

02:07:05.119 --> 02:07:07.279
probably be we'll be at another meeting

02:07:07.359 --> 02:07:09.479
so we probably have to find another way

02:07:09.560 --> 02:07:12.560
in getting it out there to community pay

02:07:12.640 --> 02:07:15.239
 on Camden council's Facebook

02:07:15.319 --> 02:07:20.479
page  I think the new counselors are

02:07:20.560 --> 02:07:24.520
definitely definitely not aware on the

02:07:24.600 --> 02:07:26.760
work that has been done by the general

02:07:26.840 --> 02:07:29.800
manager the present Mayor and our

02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:32.520
directors I represented the Mayor last

02:07:32.600 --> 02:07:35.039
week in Campell town we were there what

02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:38.920
were we discussing again trains for

02:07:39.000 --> 02:07:42.680
Camden so it is very unfair to say we

02:07:42.760 --> 02:07:45.439
are not taking a leadership in this we

02:07:45.520 --> 02:07:47.880
are maybe the new counselors we could

02:07:47.960 --> 02:07:51.439
have a workshop and go back eight years

02:07:51.520 --> 02:07:53.960
get a timeline sorry directors more work

02:07:54.039 --> 02:07:56.720
for you get a timeline in letting the

02:07:56.800 --> 02:08:01.399
new counselors know what we have done

02:08:01.479 --> 02:08:03.960
and  what we as a council will

02:08:04.039 --> 02:08:06.159
continue to do we are the fastest

02:08:06.239 --> 02:08:09.560
growing LGA in Australia  our

02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:11.880
infrastructure is not keeping up we know

02:08:11.960 --> 02:08:14.640
that and when we were on the Parklands

02:08:14.720 --> 02:08:17.520
with the other eight counselors the the

02:08:17.600 --> 02:08:21.520
the the idea was to have a strong voice

02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:25.840
in in advocating to the 

02:08:25.920 --> 02:08:28.039
ministers this is what we want we

02:08:28.119 --> 02:08:29.720
thought instead of going in as an

02:08:29.800 --> 02:08:32.720
individual counsel you went in with

02:08:32.800 --> 02:08:35.680
other counselors with a stronger voice

02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:38.800
 to get the train line so we are

02:08:38.880 --> 02:08:42.079
continually  going to work on it 

02:08:42.159 --> 02:08:44.359
I'd love to see the new counselors 

02:08:44.439 --> 02:08:47.920
get updated on a bit information to see

02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:49.600
 how hard this Council has been

02:08:49.680 --> 02:08:52.439
working for a train line thanks thanks

02:08:52.520 --> 02:08:54.199
thank you councilor fideli are there any

02:08:54.279 --> 02:08:55.920
speakers for the

02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:58.800
amendment councelor

02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:05.039
sui so yes hi  Sakari yeah it's okay

02:09:05.119 --> 02:09:08.359
it's okay  yeah as a new counselor I

02:09:08.439 --> 02:09:10.319
have been doing a little bit of homework

02:09:10.399 --> 02:09:12.359
and research on this I have been

02:09:12.439 --> 02:09:15.000
checking back on 

02:09:15.079 --> 02:09:19.000
council's  websites and I have been

02:09:19.079 --> 02:09:22.800
checking on going back every year and

02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:25.199
Council has been putting it out their

02:09:25.279 --> 02:09:28.399
information about the rail network so I

02:09:28.479 --> 02:09:30.640
have  thank you very much for that 

02:09:30.720 --> 02:09:33.039
councilor Fedeli  I have done my

02:09:33.119 --> 02:09:35.159
homework on that and I've been checking

02:09:35.239 --> 02:09:36.960
the progress on that so there is

02:09:37.039 --> 02:09:38.880
information on the council website about

02:09:38.960 --> 02:09:41.279
the update of the  rail network that's

02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:43.199
been happening to the community if they

02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:45.039
want to go out there and read it I've

02:09:45.119 --> 02:09:48.119
also been here in this very room last

02:09:48.199 --> 02:09:50.279
Tuesday we had a member of a

02:09:50.359 --> 02:09:53.039
representative from ra Network the

02:09:53.119 --> 02:09:55.720
meeting was open to the public  it's

02:09:55.800 --> 02:09:58.680
been sent to All The councilors Hub 

02:09:58.760 --> 02:10:00.279
that's also information that we can

02:10:00.359 --> 02:10:02.000
relate and take back to the community if

02:10:02.079 --> 02:10:03.439
the community wants to know about the

02:10:03.520 --> 02:10:04.560
latest

02:10:04.640 --> 02:10:07.600
update  so I just want to acknowledge

02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:10.439
Council for their work that they've been

02:10:10.520 --> 02:10:13.760
doing  in their role as leadership in

02:10:13.840 --> 02:10:17.079
providing  a regular communication to

02:10:17.159 --> 02:10:19.199
the community thank

02:10:19.279 --> 02:10:22.239
you thank you counselor Sakari are there

02:10:22.319 --> 02:10:23.960
any speakers against the amendment

02:10:24.039 --> 02:10:25.800
councilor

02:10:25.880 --> 02:10:27.640
Campbell I don't know that I'm

02:10:27.720 --> 02:10:29.479
necessarily speaking against the

02:10:29.560 --> 02:10:32.680
amendment I'm speaking against what I am

02:10:32.760 --> 02:10:36.640
hearing as a failure to

02:10:36.720 --> 02:10:41.039
comprehend  what's in the original

02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:43.159
motion

02:10:43.239 --> 02:10:47.520
 I didn't hear  as a couple of the

02:10:47.600 --> 02:10:49.239
counselors who just suggested councilor

02:10:49.319 --> 02:10:52.760
fatelli in particular any one saying

02:10:52.840 --> 02:10:58.079
that  none of this was it was unfair

02:10:58.159 --> 02:11:00.399
to say that Council hasn't been working

02:11:00.479 --> 02:11:02.640
on this I haven't heard that until I

02:11:02.720 --> 02:11:04.800
heard  the former Mayor

02:11:04.880 --> 02:11:08.840
speak  and she mentioned eight years

02:11:08.920 --> 02:11:13.439
of advocacy in which it's pretty fair to

02:11:13.520 --> 02:11:16.640
say zil has happened  I can go back a

02:11:16.720 --> 02:11:20.640
bit further than that I can go back 30

02:11:20.720 --> 02:11:21.800
years

02:11:21.880 --> 02:11:25.279
of advocacy when zilch has happened and

02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:27.840
I can use the phrase when I was Mayor

02:11:27.920 --> 02:11:29.880
which was in the last century and the

02:11:29.960 --> 02:11:32.079
beginning of this Century where the

02:11:32.159 --> 02:11:35.640
council was advocating very strongly for

02:11:35.720 --> 02:11:38.159
electrification of an existing train

02:11:38.239 --> 02:11:41.079
line which is already there in the back

02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:43.800
of Springs Farm and mount Anon and I

02:11:43.880 --> 02:11:45.760
know from somebody in transport New

02:11:45.840 --> 02:11:47.680
South Wales who divulged information

02:11:47.760 --> 02:11:49.800
which shocked the director of works at

02:11:49.880 --> 02:11:52.520
the time because he said if it was found

02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:54.399
out that this person had divulged this

02:11:54.479 --> 02:11:56.000
information to me he'd be in serious

02:11:56.079 --> 02:11:58.399
trouble that a study of whether that was

02:11:58.479 --> 02:12:01.439
an economically viable proposition had

02:12:01.520 --> 02:12:03.960
in fact indicated that that was and yet

02:12:04.039 --> 02:12:05.760
I'm telling you now there ain't no

02:12:05.840 --> 02:12:08.199
electrification into that area and

02:12:08.279 --> 02:12:11.079
there's nothing to  basically about

02:12:11.159 --> 02:12:13.399
apart from advocacy on the line that

02:12:13.479 --> 02:12:15.680
we're seeking

02:12:15.760 --> 02:12:20.119
 I commend  councelor Suri for being

02:12:20.199 --> 02:12:22.680
a strong voice for Community I haven't

02:12:22.760 --> 02:12:24.560
heard her say anything about what

02:12:24.640 --> 02:12:27.239
council has done or hasn't done in the

02:12:27.319 --> 02:12:29.960
past merely she's presenting something

02:12:30.039 --> 02:12:34.079
that we could be doing in the future and

02:12:34.159 --> 02:12:36.000
I think of things like those little

02:12:36.079 --> 02:12:39.239
barometers which used to occur outside

02:12:39.319 --> 02:12:41.399
of sporting venues when they needed a

02:12:41.479 --> 02:12:44.279
certain amount of money raised or

02:12:44.359 --> 02:12:45.920
sometimes for Charities and you got the

02:12:46.000 --> 02:12:47.880
little little thing and you color in as

02:12:47.960 --> 02:12:50.399
the money goes up and up and up they're

02:12:50.479 --> 02:12:53.039
useless apart from the fact that they

02:12:53.119 --> 02:12:56.439
keep everybody focused on the issue and

02:12:56.520 --> 02:12:58.680
the fact that we're only creeping up the

02:12:58.760 --> 02:13:00.560
little temperature line by little dribs

02:13:00.640 --> 02:13:02.199
and drabs and if somebody wanted to give

02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:03.680
some more we could jp a little bit

02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:05.960
further and we'd get closer to what it

02:13:06.039 --> 02:13:08.520
is we wanted to achieve and in

02:13:08.600 --> 02:13:12.319
suggesting that this information go out

02:13:12.399 --> 02:13:15.520
regularly in let's connect we're not

02:13:15.600 --> 02:13:17.880
doing something online like everything

02:13:17.960 --> 02:13:19.239
else that you meant to have the

02:13:19.319 --> 02:13:20.800
equipment for and the knowledge and the

02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:22.840
cap capacity to go on and the

02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:24.680
wherewithal and the will and the time to

02:13:24.760 --> 02:13:26.159
go and look it up all the time we're

02:13:26.239 --> 02:13:28.760
suggesting something quite simple that

02:13:28.840 --> 02:13:31.399
goes into everybody's letter box and I

02:13:31.479 --> 02:13:33.520
don't say that they all get R some of

02:13:33.600 --> 02:13:36.159
them go straight into the recycling but

02:13:36.239 --> 02:13:39.560
it's putting that issue at the Forefront

02:13:39.640 --> 02:13:43.119
of the community's mind every 3 months

02:13:43.199 --> 02:13:45.159
to let them know whether there's been

02:13:45.239 --> 02:13:48.079
any movement on the issue or indeed

02:13:48.159 --> 02:13:53.039
whether there hasn't because 

02:13:53.600 --> 02:13:56.520
basically pretty much for the last 30

02:13:56.600 --> 02:13:59.279
Years everybody has known that if the

02:13:59.359 --> 02:14:02.119
track hadn't been removed from Campbell

02:14:02.199 --> 02:14:05.239
toown to Camden and then the land that

02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:08.239
the track was on sold off by a state

02:14:08.319 --> 02:14:11.439
government to ad joining land owners so

02:14:11.520 --> 02:14:14.239
that you couldn't put the track back and

02:14:14.319 --> 02:14:16.239
that we could have electrified the line

02:14:16.319 --> 02:14:19.079
into the back of the area at a limited

02:14:19.159 --> 02:14:21.520
cost and that would have provided a

02:14:21.600 --> 02:14:23.920
train Point access to people from wall

02:14:24.000 --> 02:14:27.039
and Dilly and from the newer suburbs in

02:14:27.119 --> 02:14:30.279
 in South and Central  Wards of

02:14:30.359 --> 02:14:33.680
Camden and partially North Ward  that

02:14:33.760 --> 02:14:35.640
that that couldn't have been done too

02:14:35.720 --> 02:14:37.840
and now we're sort of doing this this

02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:40.399
futuristic thing and nothing nothing

02:14:40.479 --> 02:14:43.560
nothing is happening except the

02:14:43.640 --> 02:14:46.520
politics I hear one counselor speaking

02:14:46.600 --> 02:14:50.039
for community and I think I can detect

02:14:50.119 --> 02:14:52.319
the odor of a bit of politics coming

02:14:52.399 --> 02:14:55.439
into this as well we're here for

02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:57.560
community and if we're not here for

02:14:57.640 --> 02:15:01.439
Community we shouldn't be here at

02:15:02.279 --> 02:15:05.079
all thank you councelor Campbell  are

02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:08.319
there any speakers for the amended

02:15:08.399 --> 02:15:10.560
motion I'll speak in favor of the

02:15:10.640 --> 02:15:13.279
amended motion  unlike councelor

02:15:13.359 --> 02:15:16.520
Campbell I do not see at all a whiff of

02:15:16.600 --> 02:15:18.720
politics in this particular Amendment

02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:21.000
and I too would like to thank councilor

02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:23.359
Suri for bringing the original motion to

02:15:23.439 --> 02:15:26.079
us  I'd like to also thank councilor

02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:29.039
Rahman for  the additional points that

02:15:29.119 --> 02:15:31.720
you have made to make this motion a

02:15:31.800 --> 02:15:35.239
well-rounded motion  I would like to

02:15:35.319 --> 02:15:38.119
sincerely thank councelor Fedeli our

02:15:38.199 --> 02:15:40.600
former member  former Mayor and I

02:15:40.680 --> 02:15:42.640
would like to thank all of our current

02:15:42.720 --> 02:15:44.920
and past State members of government

02:15:45.000 --> 02:15:47.840
including the current  Sally quell and

02:15:47.920 --> 02:15:51.119
Nathan haggy who have been tirelessly V

02:15:51.199 --> 02:15:54.520
ating behind the scenes  with the

02:15:54.600 --> 02:15:58.159
relevant  State bodies to try and get

02:15:58.239 --> 02:16:01.680
this particular advocacy Point  to the

02:16:01.760 --> 02:16:05.079
Forefront of the government's priority

02:16:05.159 --> 02:16:07.800
 not only that i' would like to thank

02:16:07.880 --> 02:16:10.000
 our federal member one of our federal

02:16:10.079 --> 02:16:13.600
members Dr Mike Freelander who  I have

02:16:13.680 --> 02:16:15.840
on nerous occasions spoken to about

02:16:15.920 --> 02:16:19.479
this particular matter  and who I have

02:16:19.560 --> 02:16:22.479
attended nerous ministerial meetings

02:16:22.560 --> 02:16:25.960
with  not just with him but  alone

02:16:26.039 --> 02:16:29.600
or with my MacArthur Mayor  colleagues

02:16:29.680 --> 02:16:33.319
to advocate for this particular piece of

02:16:33.399 --> 02:16:35.479
critical infrastructure for our

02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:38.639
community  I'd like to thank councelor

02:16:38.719 --> 02:16:42.200
Siri because I do truly believe that

02:16:42.280 --> 02:16:45.719
there is so much that goes on  within

02:16:45.799 --> 02:16:48.360
not only our organization but across the

02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:51.360
entire region when it comes to 

02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:55.399
advocacy priorities  and a lot of it

02:16:55.479 --> 02:16:59.200
isn't known by the public  I I dare

02:16:59.280 --> 02:17:01.799
say the point that  councilor Fedeli

02:17:01.879 --> 02:17:03.680
was referring to would probably have

02:17:03.760 --> 02:17:06.200
been in the original motion which is

02:17:06.280 --> 02:17:09.000
printed  on page 65 where it says

02:17:09.079 --> 02:17:11.879
intensify the level of of advocacy

02:17:11.959 --> 02:17:14.040
because to be quite Frank the amount of

02:17:14.120 --> 02:17:16.600
work that's going on behind the scenes

02:17:16.680 --> 02:17:19.840
you can't get any more intense  today

02:17:19.920 --> 02:17:22.879
for example I'm not I wasn't planning on

02:17:22.959 --> 02:17:26.200
  advertising this fact but we

02:17:26.280 --> 02:17:27.799
actually had myself and the general

02:17:27.879 --> 02:17:30.719
manager  the ear of the Premier who

02:17:30.799 --> 02:17:32.760
was out here in orm park what did we

02:17:32.840 --> 02:17:36.159
discuss the Metro connection  for us

02:17:36.239 --> 02:17:39.159
we know how important this connection is

02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:41.559
it is the missing piece of 

02:17:41.639 --> 02:17:43.520
infrastructure that not only connects

02:17:43.600 --> 02:17:45.879
our residents to the new Western Sydney

02:17:45.959 --> 02:17:49.239
airport which  in itself will see our

02:17:49.319 --> 02:17:53.440
residents with all of the  potential

02:17:53.520 --> 02:17:56.319
impacts like sound noise pollution 

02:17:56.399 --> 02:17:58.440
and absolutely no gain Because unless

02:17:58.520 --> 02:18:00.719
you're going to pop in your car and and

02:18:00.799 --> 02:18:02.399
travel there yourself there's no way of

02:18:02.479 --> 02:18:06.520
getting there on public transport  and

02:18:06.600 --> 02:18:08.959
I I dare say too one of the other

02:18:09.040 --> 02:18:10.760
critical reasons is that we're going to

02:18:10.840 --> 02:18:12.840
connect ourselves as a region we have a

02:18:12.920 --> 02:18:16.159
very strong region the Matha region 

02:18:16.239 --> 02:18:18.760
and I recognize the fact that many of

02:18:18.840 --> 02:18:22.280
our  residents here in Camden work

02:18:22.360 --> 02:18:24.159
perhaps in Walland Dilly or Campbell

02:18:24.239 --> 02:18:29.079
town and having  access to from or

02:18:29.159 --> 02:18:30.799
Park  through to nurella and through

02:18:30.879 --> 02:18:34.920
to Matha would be a huge benefit to to

02:18:35.000 --> 02:18:38.600
those residents as well  this is a

02:18:38.680 --> 02:18:40.719
matter that  this particular priority

02:18:40.799 --> 02:18:43.079
is is a matter that's been raised not

02:18:43.159 --> 02:18:47.000
just  Alone by us camon Council but by

02:18:47.079 --> 02:18:50.040
our entire region not just MacArthur but

02:18:50.120 --> 02:18:53.760
also the Parks  city councils as well

02:18:53.840 --> 02:18:55.600
so that's just not our

02:18:55.680 --> 02:18:58.879
135,000 resident strong voices this is

02:18:58.959 --> 02:19:01.319
this is you know a a collective group of

02:19:01.399 --> 02:19:04.200
one point is it 1.1 general manager at

02:19:04.280 --> 02:19:08.079
the parks gr 1.1 and growing  resident

02:19:08.159 --> 02:19:11.239
million residents that will add to the

02:19:11.319 --> 02:19:15.159
voices of  our Council  in making

02:19:15.239 --> 02:19:18.760
sure that governments will do  that's

02:19:18.840 --> 02:19:21.079
my one minute that will do what they can

02:19:21.159 --> 02:19:23.719
to provide this critical piece of 

02:19:23.799 --> 02:19:25.799
public transport infrastructure for our

02:19:25.879 --> 02:19:28.799
community and abroad  so I'd like to

02:19:28.879 --> 02:19:31.079
thank both councilors  thank you for

02:19:31.159 --> 02:19:34.399
this  amendment I think it'd be great

02:19:34.479 --> 02:19:36.000
to hit the refresh button now that we've

02:19:36.079 --> 02:19:38.319
got a new Council and write to our local

02:19:38.399 --> 02:19:40.920
Members Federal members State members

02:19:41.000 --> 02:19:43.399
letting them know that we might be a new

02:19:43.479 --> 02:19:45.360
 a new Council but this issue ain't

02:19:45.440 --> 02:19:48.280
going nowhere so thank

02:19:48.360 --> 02:19:51.159
you I'll turn my mic back on cuz back

02:19:51.239 --> 02:19:53.280
over to me  councelor Siri would you

02:19:53.360 --> 02:19:55.680
like a write of reply oh

02:19:55.760 --> 02:19:57.559
sorry oh we're going to vote for the

02:19:57.639 --> 02:19:58.639
amendment

02:19:58.719 --> 02:20:02.920
first all right so with that I put the

02:20:03.000 --> 02:20:06.639
amendment councelor do do you want me to

02:20:06.719 --> 02:20:09.799
speak on the

02:20:12.639 --> 02:20:14.840
motion  Council would you like to

02:20:14.920 --> 02:20:17.840
speak to the mo the amendment  I

02:20:17.920 --> 02:20:19.360
actually wanted to speak about the

02:20:19.440 --> 02:20:22.840
motion that the  the Amendments which

02:20:22.920 --> 02:20:26.000
have come up so it the the motion which

02:20:26.079 --> 02:20:28.440
I have presented nowhere takes away what

02:20:28.520 --> 02:20:33.559
council has done in my in the motion I

02:20:33.639 --> 02:20:36.239
 I said that I acknowledge all the

02:20:36.319 --> 02:20:38.440
work cden council is doing along with

02:20:38.520 --> 02:20:40.799
the seven other local governments with

02:20:40.879 --> 02:20:42.360
the New South Wales government and the

02:20:42.440 --> 02:20:45.239
federal government everything has been I

02:20:45.319 --> 02:20:47.399
have acknowledged that and council is

02:20:47.479 --> 02:20:50.200
doing great work so there is no way

02:20:50.280 --> 02:20:52.200
taking away from the council what

02:20:52.280 --> 02:20:55.079
council is doing the motion is about

02:20:55.159 --> 02:20:57.959
communicating regularly with the with

02:20:58.040 --> 02:21:00.520
the community I meet so many residents

02:21:00.600 --> 02:21:02.920
who have raised this concern that they

02:21:03.000 --> 02:21:04.840
have no awareness about what is

02:21:04.920 --> 02:21:07.559
happening in this in this matter so my

02:21:07.639 --> 02:21:09.920
motion is very simple it is about

02:21:10.000 --> 02:21:12.520
communicating regularly and when I say

02:21:12.600 --> 02:21:15.639
let's connect which is a platform and in

02:21:15.719 --> 02:21:17.920
the last I went through so many of the

02:21:18.000 --> 02:21:21.399
editions I have not seen the mention of

02:21:21.479 --> 02:21:23.840
the you know the updates about the train

02:21:23.920 --> 02:21:26.600
station so it's not taking away from

02:21:26.680 --> 02:21:28.719
what the council is doing it is just

02:21:28.799 --> 02:21:30.879
adding on to the fact that we just need

02:21:30.959 --> 02:21:33.479
to communicate regularly that dispels

02:21:33.559 --> 02:21:37.159
the rors and the concerns and it just

02:21:37.239 --> 02:21:39.479
creates more  confidence of the

02:21:39.559 --> 02:21:41.479
community into the great work council is

02:21:41.559 --> 02:21:44.079
doing in this regard thank you thank you

02:21:44.159 --> 02:21:46.559
councelor Siri  with that I'll put the

02:21:46.639 --> 02:21:49.319
amended do you have a question it was

02:21:49.399 --> 02:21:51.559
just a question I don't I wish to

02:21:51.639 --> 02:21:53.879
propose an amended motion or anything

02:21:53.959 --> 02:21:57.280
like that but it seems to me that 

02:21:57.360 --> 02:22:01.319
the  pragmatic approach might be to

02:22:01.399 --> 02:22:04.440
consider and I'm I'm more than happy to

02:22:04.520 --> 02:22:08.159
support  councilor Roman's  amended

02:22:08.239 --> 02:22:10.440
motion but could we simply add that we

02:22:10.520 --> 02:22:13.719
add that we include that the it's it's

02:22:13.799 --> 02:22:15.600
included in let's connect which is the

02:22:15.680 --> 02:22:19.040
middle sentence of councilor su's

02:22:19.120 --> 02:22:20.959
original motion councel thank thank you

02:22:21.040 --> 02:22:23.159
for that  we will deal with the

02:22:23.239 --> 02:22:26.600
amended motion  as it reads do you

02:22:26.680 --> 02:22:28.520
have a point of order councelor Campbell

02:22:28.600 --> 02:22:31.319
well I'll foreshadow the fact that we

02:22:31.399 --> 02:22:33.079
amalgamate the two because there is

02:22:33.159 --> 02:22:35.319
quintessentially no difference between

02:22:35.399 --> 02:22:37.200
the two of them it's just a matter of

02:22:37.280 --> 02:22:39.479
how you go about things so I'll for

02:22:39.559 --> 02:22:42.920
shadow that if this one's lost I'll move

02:22:43.000 --> 02:22:45.040
that thank you councelor

02:22:45.120 --> 02:22:47.920
Campbell that will be noted thank you 

02:22:48.000 --> 02:22:50.799
so with that I put the amended  motion

02:22:50.879 --> 02:22:52.760
forward all those in

02:22:52.840 --> 02:22:55.840
favor councelor Rahman councelor Cornell

02:22:55.920 --> 02:22:59.079
councelor Ferreri councelor  Sakari

02:22:59.159 --> 02:23:01.559
councelor fideli councelor Kagney those

02:23:01.639 --> 02:23:04.319
against councelor Campbell councelor

02:23:04.399 --> 02:23:07.719
McLean and councelor Suri the amended

02:23:07.799 --> 02:23:11.680
motion now becomes the motion so do 

02:23:11.760 --> 02:23:14.920
councilor  Siri do would you like I'll

02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:16.600
call for movers H sorry I'll call for

02:23:16.680 --> 02:23:19.479
speakers for the now motion which is

02:23:19.559 --> 02:23:22.200
what we have before here on the screen

02:23:22.280 --> 02:23:26.680
do we have any speakers for councelor

02:23:26.760 --> 02:23:29.840
Campbell I'm not about to speak against

02:23:29.920 --> 02:23:31.719
something which provides a piece of

02:23:31.799 --> 02:23:33.680
infrastructure which is overdue by at

02:23:33.760 --> 02:23:37.360
least about 30 years however what I'd

02:23:37.440 --> 02:23:40.120
like to do at this point in time is ask

02:23:40.200 --> 02:23:42.719
if the Mover and seconder of the amended

02:23:42.799 --> 02:23:45.840
motion would consider adding the point

02:23:45.920 --> 02:23:48.360
about  communicating on a regular

02:23:48.440 --> 02:23:50.079
basis with residents through let's

02:23:50.159 --> 02:23:51.000
connect

02:23:51.079 --> 02:23:53.719
as to where this issue is up to and

02:23:53.799 --> 02:23:57.680
what's being done  into the motion

02:23:57.760 --> 02:23:59.159
would the Boer and the second are

02:23:59.239 --> 02:24:02.680
consider putting that into the amended

02:24:02.760 --> 02:24:06.840
motion which is now the

02:24:12.959 --> 02:24:14.520
motion

02:24:14.600 --> 02:24:20.319
okay so we'll ask the Mover who

02:24:20.680 --> 02:24:24.879
Rahman would you like to include the so

02:24:24.959 --> 02:24:26.799
just to be clear is to include the

02:24:26.879 --> 02:24:29.360
original part ofes yes the updates in

02:24:29.440 --> 02:24:31.079
let's connect so that people know what

02:24:31.159 --> 02:24:33.200
the hell is going on and we stop the rim

02:24:33.280 --> 02:24:35.239
mongering and give information to people

02:24:35.319 --> 02:24:37.239
councelor just to be clear what we've

02:24:37.319 --> 02:24:40.040
what we have agreed to amend the motion

02:24:40.120 --> 02:24:44.799
to is to suggest that and I think it's

02:24:44.879 --> 02:24:48.840
point three that we receive a report

02:24:48.920 --> 02:24:51.319
yeah yeah listen on the council receive

02:24:51.399 --> 02:24:54.479
a report on all advocacy priorities for

02:24:54.559 --> 02:24:57.159
the Camden LGA including the North South

02:24:57.239 --> 02:25:00.319
Metro extensions and options to support

02:25:00.399 --> 02:25:02.799
Greater Community awareness of council's

02:25:02.879 --> 02:25:05.719
advocacy work so that in itself would be

02:25:05.799 --> 02:25:07.920
addressing the point about the let's

02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:10.479
connect that would just be one of

02:25:10.559 --> 02:25:12.520
potentially many options of ways to

02:25:12.600 --> 02:25:14.040
engage with the community that's how I

02:25:14.120 --> 02:25:16.399
read it Council Rahman do you

02:25:16.479 --> 02:25:18.399
agree thank you Madame Mayor for

02:25:18.479 --> 02:25:21.879
clarifying it it says all about what's

02:25:21.959 --> 02:25:25.440
the priorities in the area as that

02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:28.280
advocacy level we will be updating

02:25:28.360 --> 02:25:31.360
Community here is the confusion creating

02:25:31.440 --> 02:25:35.319
let's connect what is the meaning is not

02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:38.399
clear in that original motion whereas we

02:25:38.479 --> 02:25:42.159
put that as a third amended version we

02:25:42.239 --> 02:25:45.799
are including all priorities so we'll go

02:25:45.879 --> 02:25:48.360
ahead with the original

02:25:48.440 --> 02:25:52.159
amendments considering all priorities

02:25:52.239 --> 02:25:56.120
rather than just saying let's

02:25:56.399 --> 02:25:59.360
connect okay so I'll Now call for

02:25:59.440 --> 02:26:02.959
speakers for the

02:26:03.040 --> 02:26:05.719
motion against the motion oh sorry

02:26:05.799 --> 02:26:08.120
councilor

02:26:08.200 --> 02:26:10.319
Seri are you speaking for against or

02:26:10.399 --> 02:26:11.639
would you like your right of

02:26:11.719 --> 02:26:15.120
reply I will my right of reply of course

02:26:15.200 --> 02:26:19.040
go ahead so the difference between the

02:26:19.120 --> 02:26:22.959
original motion and the amendment  the

02:26:23.040 --> 02:26:25.719
recommendation  to me the the first

02:26:25.799 --> 02:26:28.520
point which is acknowledging what the

02:26:28.600 --> 02:26:30.319
camp council is doing with the other

02:26:30.399 --> 02:26:32.280
seven local governments which has

02:26:32.360 --> 02:26:36.680
already been specified by me so this is

02:26:36.760 --> 02:26:39.799
 so and so the only the second point

02:26:39.879 --> 02:26:41.559
which is okay we are writing to our

02:26:41.639 --> 02:26:43.200
local state and federal members of

02:26:43.280 --> 02:26:46.200
parliament acknowledging so the the the

02:26:46.280 --> 02:26:49.079
original motion is about communication

02:26:49.159 --> 02:26:51.319
with the community providing them with

02:26:51.399 --> 02:26:54.040
the regular updates you know so the

02:26:54.120 --> 02:26:57.600
motion is very specific about  keeping

02:26:57.680 --> 02:26:59.680
the community in light of the progress

02:26:59.760 --> 02:27:03.600
of the timelines updates progress and 

02:27:03.680 --> 02:27:05.719
and which has been brought to my 

02:27:05.799 --> 02:27:08.719
notice  when I speak to the residents

02:27:08.799 --> 02:27:11.159
you know so the that that is what the

02:27:11.239 --> 02:27:16.200
specific motion is about and    so

02:27:16.280 --> 02:27:18.200
this is what I'm that's what I would

02:27:18.280 --> 02:27:20.719
like to reply thank you thank you

02:27:20.799 --> 02:27:24.559
councelor sui with that I put the motion

02:27:24.639 --> 02:27:27.799
forward although councelor McLean sorry

02:27:27.879 --> 02:27:29.840
Madame may I didn't have my hand fully

02:27:29.920 --> 02:27:33.000
up before to speak  in favor I do

02:27:33.079 --> 02:27:35.399
sorry just to just to clarify we've just

02:27:35.479 --> 02:27:37.200
had a right of reply so the debate is

02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:39.479
now

02:27:39.879 --> 02:27:42.639
closed with that I put the motion

02:27:42.719 --> 02:27:45.799
forward all those in

02:27:47.360 --> 02:27:51.719
favor unanimous thank you

02:27:51.799 --> 02:27:53.680
council is that now concl just ask who

02:27:53.760 --> 02:27:55.639
gets the right of reply when the

02:27:55.719 --> 02:27:57.600
amendment becomes a motion Mr general

02:27:57.680 --> 02:27:59.920
manager or to

02:28:00.000 --> 02:28:03.479
governance I'm happy to take on board 

02:28:03.559 --> 02:28:05.799
any feedback from our governance experts

02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:09.840
or our director  however the wrer

02:28:09.920 --> 02:28:12.440
reply  goes to the Mover of the

02:28:12.520 --> 02:28:13.600
original

02:28:13.680 --> 02:28:16.559
motion so there's only one wrer reply

02:28:16.639 --> 02:28:18.399
and it's the Mover of the original

02:28:18.479 --> 02:28:20.600
motion  if the

02:28:20.680 --> 02:28:23.479
Amendment  Was Defeated or it would

02:28:23.559 --> 02:28:25.879
remain  with the Mover of the original

02:28:25.959 --> 02:28:27.559
motion and if the amendment is

02:28:27.639 --> 02:28:29.319
successful it Still Remains with the

02:28:29.399 --> 02:28:31.639
Mover of the original motion councelor

02:28:31.719 --> 02:28:33.680
Campbell do you have any followup

02:28:33.760 --> 02:28:36.079
questions okay well council is that

02:28:36.159 --> 02:28:38.760
concludes tonight's final meeting for

02:28:38.840 --> 02:28:40.479
the year of

02:28:40.559 --> 02:28:43.360
2024  I would like to particularly

02:28:43.440 --> 02:28:46.120
take this time to thank our  members

02:28:46.200 --> 02:28:48.280
of the gallery it's actually quite

02:28:48.360 --> 02:28:50.680
refreshing to see some faces  joining

02:28:50.760 --> 02:28:52.399
us this evening and sticking it out to

02:28:52.479 --> 02:28:54.600
the end so thank you very much for that

02:28:54.680 --> 02:28:56.520
I'd like to wish not only my counselor

02:28:56.600 --> 02:28:58.239
colleagues and Council staff but of

02:28:58.319 --> 02:29:02.959
course our  wonderful Gallery a 

02:29:03.040 --> 02:29:05.239
safe and happy Christmas and New Year

02:29:05.319 --> 02:29:07.440
and we'll see you all back in 2025

02:29:07.520 --> 02:29:10.719
looking refreshed and ready to work hard

02:29:10.799 --> 02:29:14.040
thank you