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good evening councilors and members of

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the public council is conducting this

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ordinary meeting in person and via live

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also to vote please  councilors please

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give your attention to counselor

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Rose Sicari who will lead us in prayer and

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acknowledgement of country

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thank you Madame Mayor

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Almighty God we pause to seek your help

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guide and direct our thinking may your

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will be done in us and through us in the

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local government area we seek to serve

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we ask this through Christ our

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Lord    acknowledgement to country i would

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like to acknowledge that this meeting is

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being held on the traditional lands and

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the waterways of the Dharawal people and

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also recognize the surrounding of the

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Dharawal Dharug and Gundungurra people and pay our

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respects to the Elders past present and

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those emerging thank you thank you

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to leave the

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meeting councilors we have  no leaves

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of absence this

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evening to consider however we do

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have  advice that councelor Peter McLean

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has  submitted a request to attend

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this meeting via audio visual link i

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note that council resolution to approve

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the request is required to state the

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reason for the request unless the ground

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is illness disability or caring

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responsibilities in this case the reason

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does not need to be stated councelor so

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I have a mover and seconder that we

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approve the attendance via audio visual

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link moved councelor Campbell seconded

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councelor Fedeli all those in

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favor unanimous thank

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you welcome councilor McLean

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thank you

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councelor do we have any declarations of

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interest this evening

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no and we have no public addresses this

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evening

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either confirmation of

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minutes we have a recommendation on page

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13 that the minutes of the ordinary

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council meeting held on the 11th of

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March 2025 copies of which have been

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circulated be confirmed and adopted do I

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have a mover moved councelor Ferreri

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seconded councelor Quinnell  councelor

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Ferreri would you like to speak to that

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no thank you Madam Mayor any other

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speakers for against that i put the

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minutes forward all those in

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favor unanimous thank you

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councilors we have no Mayoral minutes

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this evening so we'll move straight on

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to item one pre-public exhibition draft

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community strategic plan draft

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resourcing strategy draft delivery

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program 2025 

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2026 to 2028 2029 draft   2025 to 2026

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operational plan and budget including

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the draft revenue policy draft capital

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works program and the draft fees and

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charges councilors we have a

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recommendation on page 31

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 so just to clarify that this will be

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to endorse the following docents as

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mentioned above  for public exhibition

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do we have a motion this evening

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councilors councelor Campbell i'll move

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that the  documents be put out on

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public exhibition thank you councelor do

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I have a seconder councelor Fidelli

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councelor Campbell would you like to

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speak to the motion only to say that I

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hope the community takes note of this 

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and that we get a lot of submissions

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because there are some things in it

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which I think really need commenting on

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thank you councelor are there any

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speakers for the

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motion against oh sorry councelor McLean

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for

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 yes thank you Madame Mayor thank

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you happy to  support this motion and

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recommendation for public exhibition i

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 I also wanted to thank the staff for

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the significant work and time and effort

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that has gone into these  various

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plans because it is  is indeed very

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significant it's probably not measured

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in the hundreds of hours but pro

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probably closer to a thousand or more

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because it is  very significant and

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important docents for our longerterm

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financial sustainability

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we in in saying that I I I do want to

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see them go on public exhibition but I I

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do have concerns which remain  with

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the  in in areas  it's not all about

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rate increases  I recognize that that

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is definitely a significant challenge 

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but it is only one of the areas  which

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should be a focus it should also I'd

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also like to  point out that  we we

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face some significant  economic

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headwinds as as a country and a state

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and a and a local government 

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authority as well  these have only

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increased in very recent days in fact 

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and I believe that that is going to

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impact  how the private sector

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interacts  with local development and

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construction  and as a result our

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capital expenditure should be considered

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in light of that  I'm not talking

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about significant or wholesale cuts or

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reductions or changes  but minor and

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 and modest  changes to ensure that

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we continue to be fighting fit  for

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these potential  increased risks which

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are are in front of us  one of the

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other areas is certainly our service

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levels  again I want to very very

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clearly articulate I'm not talking about

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core services  but very very modest

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small changes in non-core services which

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we really need to  consider  many of

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them will not impact  or even be

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noticed by community and many people

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will also say well councelor McLean these

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aren't going to make much of an impact

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to the budget or to our financial

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sustainability and and they're right but

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the compounding and res residual impacts

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of that year after year after year will

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certainly make an impact  and one of

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the other areas I'm keen to discuss

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further is is really the fees and

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charges around incentivizing

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 behavior change or in fact

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disinccentivizing in some cases  as

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well as of course  increasing

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continuing to even increase higher our

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 commercial fees and charges 

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private sector rates in fact not

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community rates which we provide 

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commercial entities with this will

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ensure that our community and our

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residents  continue to have modest

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charges for when they hire or use our

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council services and so with that I  I

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look forward to  discussing this

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further and of course look forward to

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the community feedback  through the

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public exhibition thank you thank you

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councelor are there any other speakers

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for the the motion against councelor

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Ferreri thank you Madame May  I'd like

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to firstly thank the the council staff

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involved in providing us with a detailed

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briefing on the budget over the past few

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weeks it's it's given me a very solid

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understanding of the situation we face

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here in

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Camden however I have serious

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reservations about supporting this

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recommendation as even the slightest

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rate increase would undoubtedly place

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additional burdens on rate payers across

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the LGA

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that said I will vote in favor of this

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recommendation proceeding to public

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exhibition as this step allows for

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community submissions and ensures their

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voices are heard before any final

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decision is made i welcome that

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commitment to community engagement and

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transparency so thank you Madame May

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thank you councelor are there any other

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speakers for the motion councelor

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Fidelli

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thank you Madame May  quite happy to

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see this go on  public exhibition i

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also would like to thank the staff for

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all their hard work in this  great for

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the  new counselors a lot for them to

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take in even a lot to take in for us 

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returning

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counselors  I will probably wait till

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it comes back to have my say  I just

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think we have to be very cautious with

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all the growth that we're having and I

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think we have got a great  set of

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staff directors here and a CFO that

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knows what he's doing and can bring this

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forward as he has been since I've been

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on council so  we are a very lucky LGA

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i get around I talk to a lot of people i

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go to a lot of family friends functions

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sports functions and everybody knows the

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services that Camden get is unreal i

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have a properties around  we get our

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bins picked up every week people are

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getting theirs picked up fortnightly 

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I just think we have to think very

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seriously when it comes as Council McLean

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said  some of the things that

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he may want to bring back again thank

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you councelor  we'll await for it to

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come back from exhibition and really

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think seriously what we've got to do for

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this great  LGA of Camden

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thank you councelor are there any other

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speakers for the motion against the

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motion councelor Campbell your right of

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reply

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i think

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 pretty much everything has been

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fairly eloquently and and said in detail

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 I didn't thank the

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staff when I moved this i'm grateful for

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the job that they do  whether that

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deserves pardon No I didn't sorry i

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didn't i'm grateful for the job that

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they do

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 and have been for the the length of

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the time I was on council but I think 

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councelor McLean has quite elegantly said

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we face interesting times ahead and we

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do have a primary responsibility to our

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community we are the elected people here

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 I've appreciated the briefings but

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again we're here to lead and to listen

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to the community and I think  possibly

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councelor  there has been expressed

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the notion that we need to pardon me

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commit to community engagement and

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transfer parency by councelor Ferreri

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and I entirely endorse that as well so I

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really hope that the community doesn't

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just throw up its hands in horror i hope

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that they have a careful look at this 

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true we have exceptional services in

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Camden but we also pay for them we're

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not a lowrated council that's for sure

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 and we think of things like 

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councelor  Fedelihas mentioned the

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garbage service this is exceptional

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because it's in house these are our

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employees we have not contracted that

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out  as is typical for councils around

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the state  this is creating local

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employment and it's it's for our

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community and that's why it's been an

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exceptional service ever since I've been

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on council  all these years but as I

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said we do have a responsibility to

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actually lead and that means listening

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to briefings but also assessing them

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critically and coming up with the path

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that we want  for the community and is

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indeed the best path for our community

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into the

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future thank you councelor with that I

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put the motion forward all those in

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favor unanimous thank you on to item two

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acceptance of grant funding local small

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commitments allocations we have a

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recommendation on page 33 and that's

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that we accept grant funding of

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$121,250 excluding GST and

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$4,4363 excluding GST  from a grant

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program from the state government so do

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we have a motion

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councilors councelor Fidelli

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would you like to move the

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recommendation and do we have a seconder

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councelor Ramen councelor Fedelioh no

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i'm just going to have say there'll be a

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lot of happy  dog parents out there

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that they'll be able to  bring their

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dogs out now

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are there any speakers for the

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recommendation against do we have any

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questions with that I put the motion

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forward all those in favor unanimous

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thank you on to item three acceptance of

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grant funding caring for country council

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grants program we have a recommendation

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on page 35 of tonight's business paper

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and it is that we accept the grant

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funding of 25,000 excluding GST  from

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the state government so do we have a

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motion tonight councilors councelor

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Ramen would you like to move what's in

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the staff recommendation no thank you

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Madame May council do I have a

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seconder  councelor Ferreri 

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councelor Ramen would you like to speak

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to the motion

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no thank you Madame May  do we have

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any speakers for the

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motion

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against i think she's confused what I've

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said initially but you're happy to move

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the staff recommendation on page six on

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page 35 of the business paper yes Madame

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May yeah so we we've got a seconder

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council Ferreri thank you for the

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clarification because I thought we

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weren't moving the recommendation we

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weren't moving any so that's been

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clarified now  any speakers for

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against any questions with that I move

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the motion all those in favor unanimous

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thank you

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on to item four T6 of 2025 principal

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contractor for the rectification of

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Little Sandy Bridge Eldersly which we

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have been  waiting for on Tender Hooks

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let's say  for a long time so we're

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very very pleased to be reaching  this

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stage of the process with little Sandy

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 we have a staff recommendation on

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page 38 that we accept a tender do we

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have a mover or a motion sorry councelor

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Campbell I move that we accept the

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tender provided by Midnight Civil

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Constructions and allocate the money as

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per 2 do we have a seconder councelor

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Fedelicouncelor Cample would you like

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to speak to this

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this is  a critical piece of local

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infrastructure it's been something that

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the community has enjoyed for many

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decades it's unfortunate that the

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previous work actually possibly

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exacerbated the problem that we're now

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facing i just hope that this time  the

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tenderers that we have will do it

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properly and take some local input as

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far as what floods in the Nepan River

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are actually like so that we can get the

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infrastructure back in and get it secure

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and not have to keep facing situations

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like this in the future bring it on

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thank you councelor are there any

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speakers for the motion council McLean

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 thank you Madame Mayorvery

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supportive of of this  we have  for

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some time received  I guess expert

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advice and review and peer reviews on

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this

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 so the the the issues and

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consequences and challenges have been

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investigated  fairly  in depth and I

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guess the other point to mention is that

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it really is an important piece of

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community infrastructure not just for

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the people adjoining suburbs of of

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Eldersley and  Camden  but  of

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South Camden of Spring Farm of Mount

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Anonvale and other suburbs as well it's

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surprising to me that this bridge is

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used by so many people that appreciate

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it and  love walking running 

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crossing it  as as part of their

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recreation as part of their enjoyment 

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so it'll be fantastic for it to come

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back online thank you thank you Council

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Mlean are there any other speakers for

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the motion councelor Ferreri

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 thank you Madame May  I I will be

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voting to support this motion however

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I'd like to express some reservations I

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have in supporting the the

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recommendation rather to restore Little

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Sandy Bridge

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my main concern is the the risk of

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investing significant funds into a

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project that could be undermined by

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another extreme weather event down the

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line if that happens we're essentially

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throwing away good money after

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bad however I I recognize that this

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bridge is a cherished community asset

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and I want to approach this with

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optimism  with that said I think 

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with some of the cost offset by

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insurance  it the financial burden

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isn't entirely on us so this project

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could prove to be worthwhile worthwhile

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endeavor  for those residents in this

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area this would  it would restore a

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much loved feature and I'd like to see

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it become a lasting benefit for the

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community God willing

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thank you councelor Ferreri are there

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any other speakers for the motion

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against  councelor councel I don't

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know you you're supporting it but you

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spoke against I'll give you a right of

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reply if you'd like would you like to

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take a right of reply councelor gamble

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I'm sorry I missed what you were saying

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would you like to have a right of reply

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no before that would you like to take

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your right of reply thank you

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 I don't think councelor Fer was

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speaking against it I think he was just

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being a little bit  cautious with

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expenditure of money which is to be

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applauded for  possibly though as a a

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newer counselor and I'm not being rude

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there  the first time the bridge went

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out it was because of something that

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council did which took it out the second

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time my dear husband who isn't an

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engineer  said exactly or told the

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director of the day exactly what was

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going to happen the next time the Nepan

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flooded and blow me down if he wasn't

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right and he's not an engineer so I hope

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God's willing to smile upon it but I'd

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also like some really good engineers and

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I'd like the engineers with all their

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wonderful university and book learning

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to actually listen to the community who

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know about floods in the Nepan River and

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not only is Little Sandy a critical

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piece of infrastructure that we need to

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put back and maintain has to stay there

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but it also has to be part of a

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longerterm vision and leadership that

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fits into the overall health of the

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river and particularly of the banks of

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the river there are other things that

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need to be done concurrently to make

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sure that the engineers get it right and

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the bridge doesn't ever come out again

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in the future and that can be done that

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can be done thank you councelor with

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that I put the motion forward all those

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in

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favor unanimous thank you on to item

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five exemption from tender select IT 

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contracts we have a staff recommendation

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on page 41 of tonight's business paper

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councilor do we have a motion this

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evening council McLean

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happy to support the motion as

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recommended thank you councelor do we

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have a seconder councelor Fidelli

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Council McLean

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just to mention that there was a

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detailed councelor briefing on this item

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and  it's important that it should be

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noted that there was significant and 

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I guess common sense reasons why this

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exemption should be applied  which I

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 support thank you thank you councelor

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are there any speakers for the motion

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against do we have any questions with

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that I put the motion forward all those

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in favor unanimous thank

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you on to item six pre-public exhibition

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revised swimming pool inspection program

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we have a staff recommendation on page

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43 of tonight's business paper and

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that's that we endorse the revised

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swimming pool inspection program  to

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be placed on public exhibition do we

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have a motion councilors councelor

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Campbell

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i'll move it as recommended that we

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endorse it to go on public exhibition

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thank you councelor and hope that again

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people who have pools and indeed people

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who don't have pools all respond do we

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have a seconder councelor Ferreri

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councelor Campbell would you like to

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speak to the motion

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 it's pretty obvious that this is

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something that needs inspection it's

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always sort of confused me slightly that

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you can have a dam with deep water and

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cold water on a property and that

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doesn't have to be fenced but a swimming

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pool in someone's yard does that's

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always confused me a little bit and it

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concerns me that despite all the

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restrictions that we have about fencing

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and gates etc that the end result is

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that the nber of infants drowning 

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has not decreased so yes we need

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inspections but we also need to think

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that people need to supervise children

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all the time

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thank you councelor are there any

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speakers for the

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motion against do we have any

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questions with that I'll put the motion

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forward all those in

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favor unanimous thank

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you on to item seven provision of

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expenses and facilities to councilors

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from July to December 2024 there's a

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staff recommendation on page 45

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councilors do we have a motion tonight

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councelor Campbell do as I'll move I'll

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move the staff recommendation that the

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information in this report be noted

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thank you councelor do we have a

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seconder councelor

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Fedelicouncelor Campbell i think this

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one is self-explanatory  everybody

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should be interested have a look thank

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you councelor are there any speakers for

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the motion against are there any

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questions with that I put the motion

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forward all those in favor unanimous

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thank

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you on to item 8 investment monies

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February 2025 we have a staff

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recommendation on page

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46  council do we have a motion this

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evening councelor Campbell

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move the recommendation as  is written

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on page 46 of the business paper do we

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have a seconder councelor Quinnell

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Councelor Campbell again

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self-explanatory

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thank you councelor do we have any

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speakers for against any questions with

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that I'll put the motion forward all

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those in

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favor unanimous thank

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you okay on to item nine notice of

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motion native trees this is a  notice

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of motion brought forward by council man

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the recommendation is on pages 47 and 48

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of tonight's business paper council

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McClean I prese you're willing to move

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this motion

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yes do we have a seconder councelor

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Campbell over to you Council McLean

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 thanks Madam Mayor  the I won't

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detail the motion  printed in the

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business  papers  but for for those

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that might be listening in I'm  really

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passionate about tree canopy cover u

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particularly of course in our local 

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government area

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it is a key challenge and certainly 

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it should be said  something that is

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improving in a nber of areas in our

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local government area  with various

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grants and I'm assured that  the

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second there's more grants we'll be 

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eagerly applying for them which is very

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important  and we've got a nber of

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other programs and activity years in our

00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.279
local community  that provide  the

00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:11.816
provision of  free trees for example

00:27:11.840 --> 00:27:13.496
 that was indeed the case at the

00:27:13.520 --> 00:27:16.056
Camden show just this weekend  which

00:27:16.080 --> 00:27:19.080
is fantastic to see  probably

00:27:19.360 --> 00:27:22.360
thousands of  native species  being

00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.039
gifted to community members  and

00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.775
there's been  slightly more mature

00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.416
tree species being planted  right

00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.296
across our suburbs  I've seen many of

00:27:34.320 --> 00:27:37.320
them  contributing significantly to

00:27:37.840 --> 00:27:40.135
open space areas and passive recreation

00:27:40.159 --> 00:27:42.056
areas which will provide well needed

00:27:42.080 --> 00:27:45.080
shade and tree canopy cover in future 

00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.200
years to come  so this really is to

00:27:49.360 --> 00:27:52.360
look at a  I guess injecting a similar

00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.496
program that we see in other council

00:27:57.520 --> 00:28:00.520
areas  to I guess celebrate newborn

00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.960
life in our communities and attribute

00:28:04.399 --> 00:28:07.399
that to a a newborn child of which of

00:28:07.840 --> 00:28:09.976
course we have a very very high rate of

00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.000
in  Camden LGA  I the the the thing

00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.440
that came to mind was I I drove past

00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.440
Bringelli Public School which I was a

00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.559
student of some years ago  and in the

00:28:26.399 --> 00:28:28.936
1988 bsentennial I'm probably giving

00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:31.960
away my age now  we were gifted trees

00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:35.240
to plant  and I have a significant 

00:28:37.080 --> 00:28:39.976
eucalyptus  tree still standing in

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.736
that place might not be mine and it

00:28:41.760 --> 00:28:42.856
might have been my friends or something

00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:44.416
like that but it's roughly in the same

00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.440
place and  it's about 20 m tall now 

00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.696
and it's fantastic to see and I'd like

00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.255
to see that shared with  other

00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.279
families  in our  amazing community

00:28:57.120 --> 00:29:00.120
and so this I guess  motion isn't to

00:29:01.600 --> 00:29:03.255
actually

00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.135
 create a whole new program but really

00:29:06.159 --> 00:29:08.775
is to understand how something similar

00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.799
could be  injected or evolved  or

00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:16.840
into our existing activities maybe it's

00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.255
 national tree planting day maybe it's

00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:20.936
other existing programs that we

00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.135
currently do cuz there's a nber

00:29:22.159 --> 00:29:25.159
throughout the year and try and 

00:29:25.760 --> 00:29:28.760
include that  with newborn

00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.535
 babies and and their families of

00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.135
course to to plant the tree on their

00:29:34.159 --> 00:29:37.015
behalf  in recognition of that 

00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.039
amazing gift and  new life and it also

00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.096
is a significant opportunity to then

00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:46.120
connect that family  to the local

00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.015
health district  with any services

00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.736
that they may require in early life 

00:29:51.760 --> 00:29:54.135
and for the parents and family as well

00:29:54.159 --> 00:29:57.159
 I should also recognize  that this

00:29:58.320 --> 00:30:01.320
 very very similar motion  was 

00:30:01.919 --> 00:30:03.736
put through Wandilly Council recently

00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:06.616
and I thank  councelor Dent who put

00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:08.936
that motion forward  because we

00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.576
discussed it some months ago and  she

00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:14.535
got in first and  but I I gracefully

00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.775
borrowed some of that motion as well so

00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.775
I want to attribute some of that to 

00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.736
to her as well because  it was

00:30:21.760 --> 00:30:23.496
something we discussed together and 

00:30:23.520 --> 00:30:24.856
something I've certainly borrowed as

00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.880
well so  with that recognition I would

00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:31.320
like to   seek support for that 

00:30:32.080 --> 00:30:34.616
for that presented motion thank you

00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.976
councelor are there any speakers for the

00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.000
motion councelor Campbell

00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.976
 they say that  copying is the most

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.296
sincere form of flattery and 

00:30:46.320 --> 00:30:48.216
acknowledging that you've copied someone

00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.240
 shows great great good manners so

00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.640
we're following following W and Dilly

00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.200
 I do recall a time when new citizens

00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.736
were given a tree i worried a little bit

00:31:03.760 --> 00:31:05.255
about the fact that it wasn't nicely

00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:06.856
wrapped up and often I was frightened

00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.535
they were going to get the dirt on their

00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.559
new beautiful new Australian citizen

00:31:11.919 --> 00:31:13.655
certificates but I had the opportunity

00:31:13.679 --> 00:31:15.816
to actually change that and have the the

00:31:15.840 --> 00:31:17.736
bottom of the plants wrapped up and I

00:31:17.760 --> 00:31:19.416
don't we don't do that anymore which I

00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.576
think is a great pity  I noticed

00:31:21.600 --> 00:31:23.496
council McCain talked about a eucalyptus

00:31:23.520 --> 00:31:26.520
tree beautiful love eucalyptus trees but

00:31:27.120 --> 00:31:30.120
I would say here that in this motion

00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.655
which I fully endorse that a judicious

00:31:33.679 --> 00:31:36.056
choice of trees is going to be something

00:31:36.080 --> 00:31:38.775
that we need to consider  and also

00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.336
providing informed information on where

00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:44.360
those trees would best be planted but I

00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.880
think the notion of shade and the the

00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:51.495
bird life that will Oh well not only

00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.416
bird life  fauna as well

00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.440
 that will be benefit from the trees

00:31:57.600 --> 00:31:59.895
as well as the the han people would be

00:31:59.919 --> 00:32:02.456
would be really good for the area and I

00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.936
wonder how many people are aware that

00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.336
the sea of purple across Sydney's

00:32:07.360 --> 00:32:09.336
northern suburbs

00:32:09.360 --> 00:32:12.056
 which looks magnificent  when the

00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:15.080
the trees are in bloom is the result of

00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:18.120
one sister in one hospital in one

00:32:18.320 --> 00:32:20.775
maternity ward giving them out to all

00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.495
the new moms

00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.135
thank you councelor Campbell  council

00:32:26.159 --> 00:32:28.616
tonight I'm going to speak against this

00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:29.535


00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.135
recommendation now the reason why and

00:32:32.159 --> 00:32:34.816
it's not because I I don't

00:32:34.840 --> 00:32:37.816
 agree with concepts or elements of

00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:40.616
this  idea that council McLean has

00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.495
brought to us tonight for me personally

00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.336
I think this is a sensational idea but

00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:47.176
perhaps something that could be looked

00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.200
at a little bit closer to when we are 

00:32:50.320 --> 00:32:52.056
facing the opening of our community

00:32:52.080 --> 00:32:54.216
nursery  I appreciate the fact that

00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.775
Wall and Dilly have recently gone

00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.775
through a similar process of approving

00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.696
something of this nature however they're

00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.015
fortunate enough to already have a

00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.176
community nursery within their midst and

00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.135
I think that  the in terms of the

00:33:08.159 --> 00:33:09.736
practicality of rolling something like

00:33:09.760 --> 00:33:12.375
this out I think having our community

00:33:12.399 --> 00:33:15.399
nursery which   I mean we're

00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.576
speaking a lot about God God's will

00:33:17.600 --> 00:33:20.056
tonight  but God willing it's  done

00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:23.080
and dusted within the next 2 years 

00:33:23.919 --> 00:33:26.135
having something of this nature brought

00:33:26.159 --> 00:33:29.159
forward to us within  the time when

00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:31.015
we're expecting our own community

00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.576
nursery to  open up i think this would

00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:36.600
be a great incorporation then  from a

00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.616
practical standpoint as well as perhaps

00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.640
a resourcing and and  and and other

00:33:41.679 --> 00:33:44.216
standpoint as well so for me personally

00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.240
 great idea too soon so I won't be

00:33:47.360 --> 00:33:49.176
supporting this motion tonight are there

00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.856
any speakers for the

00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.880
recommendation against councelor Ramen

00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.576
thank you Madame Mayor I thank 

00:33:59.600 --> 00:34:02.056
councelor Mlin for bringing this

00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:05.080
wonderful idea  these particularly

00:34:05.760 --> 00:34:08.375
this motion shows that yes there's a

00:34:08.399 --> 00:34:11.399
some way we can proceed ahead  but I

00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.079
think referring  you  made that it

00:34:15.839 --> 00:34:18.839
is too soon  because what I'm actually

00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.119
trying to u explain in this   at

00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.456
this point we need to consider the cost

00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.335
and also the resources in involved and

00:34:29.359 --> 00:34:32.359
the staff time engagement that if we are

00:34:32.399 --> 00:34:35.256
going to u proceed with it how much

00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.280
involvement they will have so  it

00:34:38.399 --> 00:34:40.536
would be best idea if we consider in two

00:34:40.560 --> 00:34:42.855
weeks time through our community nursery

00:34:42.879 --> 00:34:45.815
projects and also save some funds around

00:34:45.839 --> 00:34:48.055
it thank you Madame May thank you

00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.055
councelor are there any speakers for the

00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.079
recommendation against councelor Fidelli

00:34:54.879 --> 00:34:56.375
firstly I'd like to thank councelor

00:34:56.399 --> 00:34:59.296
McLean for bringing this  it's great

00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.320
sweet  and it we are the fastest

00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.815
growing LGA in Australia with a lot of

00:35:05.839 --> 00:35:08.839
new families newborns i also agree i

00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.960
would like to see  this maybe come

00:35:12.720 --> 00:35:15.176
back deferred or whatever for when we

00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:18.136
get our own nursery i too also think

00:35:18.160 --> 00:35:20.456
even though Council Main wants it

00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.176
included into our budget  I still

00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:24.936
think it will cost us especially if

00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.416
there's going to be  I'm not sure if I

00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.976
read it maintenance  where they where

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.296
do they want it on private property when

00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.320
we give these plants  I agree we

00:35:35.359 --> 00:35:38.359
probably do need a bit more shade i

00:35:38.560 --> 00:35:40.776
would much also prefer to wait till we

00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.616
get our own nursery and maybe have

00:35:42.640 --> 00:35:43.536
another

00:35:43.560 --> 00:35:46.560
initiative even if it's not this one 

00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.575
free plants as we just stated a lot of

00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.016
free plants were giving out at the

00:35:51.040 --> 00:35:53.656
Camden show so where are they all going

00:35:53.680 --> 00:35:55.095
i mean I'm sure there must have been

00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:57.736
thousands given out  hopefully they

00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.616
are being planted

00:36:00.640 --> 00:36:02.296
thank you councelor are there any other

00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.216
speakers for the motion

00:36:05.240 --> 00:36:08.240
against councelor your right of reply

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.280
oh question council oh thank you sorry

00:36:13.680 --> 00:36:16.680
 just just a question

00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.000
 I wonder how many people tonight are

00:36:20.560 --> 00:36:23.560
aware of the eastern philosopher of

00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.616
considerable note who actually stated

00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:29.640
the time to plant a tree was yesterday

00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:34.055
thank you for using your question time

00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.079
to state something  rather than

00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.119
actually Okay thanks counselor 

00:36:40.560 --> 00:36:42.055
councelor McLean over to you for your

00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.079
ride of reply

00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.095
 thank you i

00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.119
 just need to emphasize that obviously

00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.976
within that motion it's to  bring it

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.000
back to a council a briefing to ensure

00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.575
that those points that have been raised

00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.599
are actively considered  because I

00:37:02.720 --> 00:37:05.720
have absolutely zero intention of 

00:37:06.160 --> 00:37:09.160
ensuring that this does not cost council

00:37:09.359 --> 00:37:12.055
any more money  and that it's used

00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.536
within existing programs and activities

00:37:14.560 --> 00:37:17.560
that are already  occurring throughout

00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.536
the year  and that's a really really

00:37:20.560 --> 00:37:23.560
important point if for example the 

00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:28.200
council management and officers were to

00:37:28.240 --> 00:37:30.055
say it's totally impossible we don't

00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:31.575
have the resources we don't have a

00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.599
community nursery we don't have  this

00:37:34.640 --> 00:37:37.256
that and everything else then of course

00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.416
it should be delayed but I think this is

00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.496
something we really should discuss it's

00:37:41.520 --> 00:37:44.456
it's a great opportunity  it's a great

00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.480
community interaction  it's a great

00:37:47.520 --> 00:37:50.520
celebration of new life and I believe

00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.456
it's certainly something we could

00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.016
possibly do and we should seek

00:37:55.040 --> 00:37:58.040
management's opinion on how we  how we

00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.496
look at that in more detail and so it

00:38:01.520 --> 00:38:03.095
can come back to a councelor briefing

00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.055
and we can  make an informed decision

00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.936
 from there thank you thank you

00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:10.616
councelor with that I put the motion

00:38:10.640 --> 00:38:13.216
forward all those in

00:38:13.240 --> 00:38:16.240
favor councelor Campbell councelor McLean

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:19.095
councelor Suri all those against

00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.016
councelor Ramen councelor Quinnell

00:38:21.040 --> 00:38:22.696
councelor Ferreri councelor Sacari

00:38:22.720 --> 00:38:25.095
councelor Fedeliand councelor Kagny

00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.696
the motion is

00:38:27.720 --> 00:38:30.720
lost on to item 10 notice of motion said

00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.119
shared pathway at Spring Farm  this

00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:36.376
notice of motion has been brought to us

00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.136
by councelor Quinnell councelor Quinnell

00:38:38.160 --> 00:38:40.296
you happy to move this motion still

00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.176
i am thank you Madame May do we have a

00:38:42.200 --> 00:38:45.200
seconder councelor Ramen

00:38:45.520 --> 00:38:47.896
councelor Quinnell

00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.696
 thank you Madam Mayor  I won't

00:38:50.720 --> 00:38:52.376
detail exactly what's in the motion

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.400
again but  this Springs Road MacArthur

00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.920
Road roundabout and shared path project

00:38:59.359 --> 00:39:02.359
has been going for quite a while now and

00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.416
 has run into issues i think both

00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.216
council staff and residents would would

00:39:08.240 --> 00:39:11.240
  highlight that it has run into

00:39:11.359 --> 00:39:13.335
some issues that have frustrated the

00:39:13.359 --> 00:39:16.359
residents i completely  see the point

00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.095
that it is a complex project 

00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.055
especially as we're turning rural roads

00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.696
into suburban roads that is a difficult

00:39:24.720 --> 00:39:26.376
thing to do when you got existing

00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.400
services  to deal with that you're

00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:31.296
trying to

00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.815
 remake a road into something that it

00:39:33.839 --> 00:39:36.736
wasn't originally designed for

00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.335
 there has been some updates since I

00:39:39.359 --> 00:39:42.359
raised this  lodged this motion  I

00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.335
would like to thank  the council staff

00:39:45.359 --> 00:39:48.136
who visited the residents last week 

00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:50.376
and it seems that the outstanding issues

00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.856
of the residents had have been resolved

00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.880
so I'm I very much thank  council

00:39:56.240 --> 00:39:59.240
staff for taking the time to do that 

00:39:59.520 --> 00:40:01.176
not everyone got what they wanted but

00:40:01.200 --> 00:40:03.656
we've got enough to resolve the issue

00:40:03.680 --> 00:40:05.936
and move forward and get the get this

00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.960
important road into Spring Farm built so

00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.176
while the immediiacy of this motion

00:40:11.200 --> 00:40:13.176
probably no longer exists I still think

00:40:13.200 --> 00:40:15.976
it's advantageous for us to to pass this

00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:17.976
motion for council staff to take the

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.000
opportunity to  take some time provide

00:40:21.359 --> 00:40:24.216
a briefing to us just as a as a lessons

00:40:24.240 --> 00:40:27.240
learned   exercise  especially in

00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.760
regards to how and why the design

00:40:33.839 --> 00:40:36.839
changed  last year and how that design

00:40:37.040 --> 00:40:39.496
change was was a   communicative

00:40:39.520 --> 00:40:42.520
residents so I I I  ask for your

00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.256
support and  put the motion forward

00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.095
thank you thank you Councelor Cornell

00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.216
are there any speakers for the

00:40:49.240 --> 00:40:51.776
motion

00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.800
against question councelor Campbell

00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.480
 it's getting late in the meeting but

00:40:58.560 --> 00:41:00.536
I might be confused so are we actually

00:41:00.560 --> 00:41:03.560
saying that the problem the problem has

00:41:03.680 --> 00:41:06.136
been resolved by council staff is that

00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:09.160
what we're saying

00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.440
yes council staff have visited the  as

00:41:12.640 --> 00:41:14.136
I understand visited the residents

00:41:14.160 --> 00:41:16.776
recently and resolve the issues they can

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.800
they can now   expediate the the the

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construction to to to  completion so

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we're asking for a postmortem this will

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be that this Yes this this will

00:41:30.839 --> 00:41:33.095
hopefully we're calling on God's will

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again hopefully this will be completed

00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.656
long before the  the the briefing

00:41:37.680 --> 00:41:39.896
comes back to us yes I think I'll stick

00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:41.736
with the council staff but okay if we're

00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:43.736
looking at what might have been able to

00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:45.095
be done better so it doesn't happen

00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.119
again then I guess we

00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.760
do okay with that I put the motion

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forward all those in favor

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councelor unanimous thank you all

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right okay on to item 11 closure of

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meeting to the public

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 well councilors the recommendation is

00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.256
on page 50 tonight  that council close

00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.416
the meeting to the media and public for

00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.656
reasons outlined in the report if

00:42:13.680 --> 00:42:15.095
members of the public would like to

00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:16.776
speak as to whether the meeting should

00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.295
be closed they need to have made an

00:42:18.319 --> 00:42:19.976
application to speak and as no

00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.536
applications have  have been received

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I will now call for a mover and second

00:42:24.640 --> 00:42:27.016
for point 2 only of the recommendation

00:42:27.040 --> 00:42:28.616
that we close the meeting to the media

00:42:28.640 --> 00:42:30.376
and public to discuss reports dealing

00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.376
with commercial matters in accordance

00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.400
with the provisions of sections 10 A2C

00:42:35.520 --> 00:42:38.520
and 10 A2D1 of the local government act

00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.456
1993 moved councelor Campbell seconded

00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.416
councelor

00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.216
Fedeli are there any

00:42:47.240 --> 00:42:49.736
speakers with that I'll put the motion

00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.815
councelor Campbell I was just going to

00:42:51.839 --> 00:42:54.839
say it's  you be we're quoting off

00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.416
sections here basically so people

00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.256
understand in plain English we're

00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:00.376
talking about things that are

00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.856
commercially in in confidence so they

00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.496
can't be publicly disclosed  because I

00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:07.016
don't like closing meetings to the

00:43:07.040 --> 00:43:08.616
public i like them to be open so

00:43:08.640 --> 00:43:10.055
everyone knows what's going on but in

00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.616
this case that can't be so but so we're

00:43:12.640 --> 00:43:15.176
excluding Mr nobody because Mr nobody is

00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:17.896
not here thank you councelor i did

00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:19.496
specifically mention that we would be

00:43:19.520 --> 00:43:20.936
discussing reports dealing with

00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.736
commercial matters but thanks for that

00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.656
clarification again  do we have any

00:43:25.680 --> 00:43:28.136
speakers for or against with that I put

00:43:28.160 --> 00:43:29.976
the motion forward or those in favor

00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.536
this is for point two only unanimous

00:43:32.560 --> 00:43:35.560
thank you

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okay ladies and gentlemen I'll now ask

00:43:38.160 --> 00:43:40.376
that you vacate the chamber and we will

00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:42.376
now temporarily suspend live streaming

00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.776
and once a decision has been made we

00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.456
will reopen the chamber continue the

00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.055
live stream and announce what's being

00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.896
passed thank

00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.335
you welcome back ladies and gentlemen

00:43:53.359 --> 00:43:55.176
the reports were discussed in close

00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:57.016
session and council pass the following

00:43:57.040 --> 00:44:00.040
motions item CC1 compulsory acquisition

00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:02.496
of land

00:44:02.520 --> 00:44:05.055
ACQ

00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.079
2023/29 that council compulsory acquire

00:44:08.319 --> 00:44:09.976
part of property as described in the

00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:13.000
report pursuant to section 11 sorry 177

00:44:13.680 --> 00:44:16.680
of the Roads Act 1993 compulsory acquire

00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.016
the property for the purpose of

00:44:19.040 --> 00:44:21.016
exercising its service function under

00:44:21.040 --> 00:44:24.040
roads act 1993 to facilitate the road

00:44:24.160 --> 00:44:26.536
widening at Kirkham Lane and Cam Valley

00:44:26.560 --> 00:44:29.016
Way and to make an application to the

00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:30.456
Minister of Local Government through the

00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.216
Office of Local Government pursuant to

00:44:32.240 --> 00:44:33.936
section

00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.960
1872 of the Local Government Act 1993

00:44:37.680 --> 00:44:40.055
for approval to acquire the land by

00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.016
compulsory process by the issue of

00:44:43.040 --> 00:44:44.696
proposed acquisition notices to the

00:44:44.720 --> 00:44:46.456
owners of the property

00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.295
to make an application to the governor

00:44:48.319 --> 00:44:49.656
through the Office of Local Government

00:44:49.680 --> 00:44:51.976
under section 19 of the Land Acquisition

00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.000
Just Terms Compensation Act 1991 for

00:44:55.680 --> 00:44:57.416
approval to acquire the land by

00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.896
compulsory process by the publication of

00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:02.456
the acquisition notice in the New South

00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.456
Wales government gazette that we

00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.095
classify the future road as public road

00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.119
under the Roads Act 1993 that we resolve

00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.416
 that should any agreement be reached

00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.055
authorize execution of the contract for

00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.616
sale and all necessary docents to be

00:45:18.640 --> 00:45:20.295
completed under council's power of

00:45:20.319 --> 00:45:22.136
attorney and authorize the general

00:45:22.160 --> 00:45:24.055
manager or their delegate to finalize

00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.376
and execute all relevant docents

00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.095
relating to the acquisition of the land

00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.119
item CCO2 Compulsory Acquisition of Land

00:45:32.520 --> 00:45:35.520
Lepington ACQ

00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.119
2022/21

00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:41.575
acq2022/25 that council compulsory

00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.256
acquire part of the properties as

00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.976
described in the report pursuant to

00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.696
section 3771H of the local government

00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:51.575
act 1993 compulsory acquire the

00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.335
properties for the purpose of of

00:45:53.359 --> 00:45:55.416
exercising its service function under

00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.295
the local government act 1993 for

00:45:58.319 --> 00:45:59.976
providing drainage infrastructure to

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.216
support Lepington Town Center and

00:46:02.240 --> 00:46:04.696
Lepington North Precinct compulsory

00:46:04.720 --> 00:46:06.696
acquire the properties with the consent

00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:08.616
of the owner of the properties under

00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:10.936
section 29 of the land acquisition just

00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.960
terms compensation act 1991 to make an

00:46:14.720 --> 00:46:16.136
application for the approval of the

00:46:16.160 --> 00:46:17.656
governor through the office of local

00:46:17.680 --> 00:46:20.176
government under section 19 of the land

00:46:20.200 --> 00:46:22.896
acquisition just terms compensation act

00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.896
1991 to acquire the land by compulsory

00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:27.815
pro process by the publication of the

00:46:27.839 --> 00:46:29.736
acquisition notice in the New South

00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.616
Wales government gazette to classify the

00:46:32.640 --> 00:46:34.536
drainage infrastructure properties on

00:46:34.560 --> 00:46:36.776
acquisition as operational land under

00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.376
section 31 of the local government act

00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.136
1993 and authorize the general manager

00:46:42.160 --> 00:46:43.976
or their delegate to finalize and

00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:45.976
execute all relevant docents and

00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.295
compensation payable relating to this

00:46:48.319 --> 00:46:51.319
acquisition of the land and finally CC3

00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.016
sale of land at grass that council

00:46:55.040 --> 00:46:56.936
endorse the process outlined in the

00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.256
report for the disposal of the subject's

00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.136
land and authorize the execution of the

00:47:02.160 --> 00:47:04.376
contract for jail and all necessary

00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:06.616
docents to com to be completed under

00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:09.640
council's power of attorney  that

00:47:09.839 --> 00:47:11.575
concludes this evening's meeting

00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.496
councilors thank you  for those

00:47:13.520 --> 00:47:15.256
joining us online including you

00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:18.280
councelor  McLean  and that's it for

00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.480
this month's meeting take care